Trespassing in neighbor's driveway

In article >,
"_ Prof. Jonez _" > wrote:

> BTR1701 wrote:
> > In article . com>,
> > Larry Bud > wrote:
> >
> >> On May 1, 9:42 pm, BTR1701 > wrote:
> >>> In article .com>,
> >>> Larry Bud > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>>> Which raises the following question: does a homeowner have a
> >>>>>>>> right
> >>>>>>>> not to
> >>>
> >>>>>>> allow you to pull into their driveway with the purpose of
> >>>>>>> turning around?
> >>>
> >>>>>>> It's interesting how people seem to think they are somehow
> >>>>>>> entitled to
> >>>>>>> other people's property. I recently had some issues with
> >>>>>>> neighbors thinking they could park in my driveway at will to
> >>>>>>> make access to their cars more convient, even if this made
> >>>>>>> access to our cars on our
> >>>>>>> land next to impossible. The problem has since been handled,
> >>>>>>> but the
> >>>>>>> responses I got during the episode were amazing.
> >>>
> >>>>>> I hardly think taking 10 seconds to turn around in someone's
> >>>>>> driveway is equivalent to parking your car there.
> >>>
> >>>>>> While it technically might be "trespassing", people (his
> >>>>>> neighbor) needs to relax.
> >>>
> >>>>>>> Also, if you continue to agitate your neighbor by entering their
> >>>>>>> property after notice not to do so, they're likely to return the
> >>>>>>> love. What will you do when you run over the nails they just
> >>>>>>> happened
> >>>>>>> to drop in the driveway? It's their land, they have no
> >>>>>>> requirement to
> >>>>>>> keep their driveway up to your standards.
> >>>
> >>>>>> Setting booby traps may be illegal, and probably is, in his
> >>>>>> state.
> >>>
> >>>>> Only in the sense that the booby trap could hurt someone. Setting
> >>>>> a booby trap that merely annoys or inconveniences a trespasser
> >>>>> isn't a crime.
> >>>
> >>>> Possibly. However do you want to be "inconvenienced" when the guy
> >>>> sues your ass? A lot of "right" people spend a lot of money showing
> >>>> how "right" they are.
> >>>
> >>> If I molded my life around what might or might not get me sued, I'd
> >>> never leave my home.
> >>
> >>> Besides, despite common perception, a lawsuit has to state a valid
> >>> cause of action in order to proceed.
> >>
> >> Please. The judges in this country hardly EVER throw a case out of
> >> court.
> >
> > When I was practicing, I managed to win summary judgment motions
> > regularly. It ain't that hard if the plaintiff has no case.
>
> Or if the defendants are the drunken criminal daughters of G W Bu$h, eh?

Apparently you don't know the difference between civil law and criminal
law.

BTR1701 wrote:
> In article >,
> "_ Prof. Jonez _" > wrote:
>
>> BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article . com>,
>>> Larry Bud > wrote:
>>>
>>>> On May 1, 9:42 pm, BTR1701 > wrote:
>>>>> In article
>>>>> .com>, Larry
>>>>> Bud > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Which raises the following question: does a homeowner have a
>>>>>>>>>> right
>>>>>>>>>> not to
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> allow you to pull into their driveway with the purpose of
>>>>>>>>> turning around?
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It's interesting how people seem to think they are somehow
>>>>>>>>> entitled to
>>>>>>>>> other people's property. I recently had some issues with
>>>>>>>>> neighbors thinking they could park in my driveway at will to
>>>>>>>>> make access to their cars more convient, even if this made
>>>>>>>>> access to our cars on our
>>>>>>>>> land next to impossible. The problem has since been handled,
>>>>>>>>> but the
>>>>>>>>> responses I got during the episode were amazing.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I hardly think taking 10 seconds to turn around in someone's
>>>>>>>> driveway is equivalent to parking your car there.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> While it technically might be "trespassing", people (his
>>>>>>>> neighbor) needs to relax.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, if you continue to agitate your neighbor by entering
>>>>>>>>> their property after notice not to do so, they're likely to
>>>>>>>>> return the love. What will you do when you run over the
>>>>>>>>> nails they just happened
>>>>>>>>> to drop in the driveway? It's their land, they have no
>>>>>>>>> requirement to
>>>>>>>>> keep their driveway up to your standards.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Setting booby traps may be illegal, and probably is, in his
>>>>>>>> state.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Only in the sense that the booby trap could hurt someone.
>>>>>>> Setting a booby trap that merely annoys or inconveniences a
>>>>>>> trespasser isn't a crime.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Possibly. However do you want to be "inconvenienced" when the guy
>>>>>> sues your ass? A lot of "right" people spend a lot of money
>>>>>> showing how "right" they are.
>>>>>
>>>>> If I molded my life around what might or might not get me sued,
>>>>> I'd never leave my home.
>>>>
>>>>> Besides, despite common perception, a lawsuit has to state a valid
>>>>> cause of action in order to proceed.
>>>>
>>>> Please. The judges in this country hardly EVER throw a case out of
>>>> court.
>>>
>>> When I was practicing, I managed to win summary judgment motions
>>> regularly. It ain't that hard if the plaintiff has no case.
>>
>> Or if the defendants are the drunken criminal daughters of G W Bu$h,
>> eh?
>
> Apparently you don't know the difference between civil law and
> criminal law.

Apparently you don't know the difference between your ethical
and moral obligations and aiding and abetting the criminal acts
of the drunken Bu$h sluts.

On May 2, 6:59 pm, BTR1701 > wrote:
> In article . com>,
> Larry Bud > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On May 1, 9:42 pm, BTR1701 > wrote:
> > > In article .com>,
> > > Larry Bud > wrote:
>
> > > > > > > > Which raises the following question: does a homeowner have a
> > > > > > > > right
> > > > > > > > not to
>
> > > > > > > allow you to pull into their driveway with the purpose of turning
> > > > > > > around?
>
> > > > > > > It's interesting how people seem to think they are somehow entitled
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > other people's property. I recently had some issues with neighbors
> > > > > > > thinking they could park in my driveway at will to make access to
> > > > > > > their cars more convient, even if this made access to our cars on
> > > > > > > our
> > > > > > > land next to impossible. The problem has since been handled, but
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > responses I got during the episode were amazing.
>
> > > > > > I hardly think taking 10 seconds to turn around in someone's driveway
> > > > > > is equivalent to parking your car there.
>
> > > > > > While it technically might be "trespassing", people (his neighbor)
> > > > > > needs to relax.
>
> > > > > > > Also, if you continue to agitate your neighbor by entering their
> > > > > > > property after notice not to do so, they're likely to return the
> > > > > > > love. What will you do when you run over the nails they just
> > > > > > > happened
> > > > > > > to drop in the driveway? It's their land, they have no requirement
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > keep their driveway up to your standards.
>
> > > > > > Setting booby traps may be illegal, and probably is, in his state.
>
> > > > > Only in the sense that the booby trap could hurt someone. Setting a
> > > > > booby trap that merely annoys or inconveniences a trespasser isn't a
> > > > > crime.
>
> > > > Possibly. However do you want to be "inconvenienced" when the guy
> > > > sues your ass? A lot of "right" people spend a lot of money showing
> > > > how "right" they are.
>
> > > If I molded my life around what might or might not get me sued, I'd
> > > never leave my home.
>
> > > Besides, despite common perception, a lawsuit has to state a valid cause
> > > of action in order to proceed.
>
> > Please. The judges in this country hardly EVER throw a case out of
> > court.
>
> When I was practicing, I managed to win summary judgment motions
> regularly. It ain't that hard if the plaintiff has no case.

How long ago was that? Times have changed.

On Apr 30, 9:51 pm, "C. E. White" >
wrote:

> I think this is a case where you'd

> need to consult the property maps and check the state right

> of way

> rules before you start shooting.


http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1555225

On May 1, 12:28 am, "Fred G. Mackey" > wrote:
> wrote:
>
> > If nothing else, it's certainly not neighborly to disregard your
> > neighbor's wishes about trespassing on their land.
>
> I'm not sure if this can be defined as trespassing - perhaps it can be -
> the private property arguments are convincing, but nonetheless, if the
> guy is mereley using a few feet of driveway to turn around, it's not
> very neighborly of his neighbor to get their panties in such a twist
> over it.
>
> I've used neighbors drivers before, and they've used ours - NOT to park
> in, but to ease turning around or pulling out when there are multiple
> vehicles blocking one that needed to get out.
>
> Unless the neighbor wants to put up a gate (which is probably prohibited
> by the HOA), there's no way to stop a stray vehicle from doing exactly
> the same thing.
>
> Some people just need to relax a little and deal with the
> inconsequential things that happen in life.


When houses are close together, perhaps a meter apart, workers might
need to plant a ladder on the other side of the fence, and for crying
out loud, don't get your panties in a twist over it, because the
workers could fall off a ladder without enough slant to it, and get
hurt.

In article >,
"_ Prof. Jonez _" > wrote:

> BTR1701 wrote:
> > In article >,
> > "_ Prof. Jonez _" > wrote:
> >
> >> BTR1701 wrote:
> >>> In article . com>,
> >>> Larry Bud > wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On May 1, 9:42 pm, BTR1701 > wrote:
> >>>>> In article
> >>>>> .com>, Larry
> >>>>> Bud > wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>> Which raises the following question: does a homeowner have a
> >>>>>>>>>> right
> >>>>>>>>>> not to
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> allow you to pull into their driveway with the purpose of
> >>>>>>>>> turning around?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> It's interesting how people seem to think they are somehow
> >>>>>>>>> entitled to
> >>>>>>>>> other people's property. I recently had some issues with
> >>>>>>>>> neighbors thinking they could park in my driveway at will to
> >>>>>>>>> make access to their cars more convient, even if this made
> >>>>>>>>> access to our cars on our
> >>>>>>>>> land next to impossible. The problem has since been handled,
> >>>>>>>>> but the
> >>>>>>>>> responses I got during the episode were amazing.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I hardly think taking 10 seconds to turn around in someone's
> >>>>>>>> driveway is equivalent to parking your car there.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> While it technically might be "trespassing", people (his
> >>>>>>>> neighbor) needs to relax.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Also, if you continue to agitate your neighbor by entering
> >>>>>>>>> their property after notice not to do so, they're likely to
> >>>>>>>>> return the love. What will you do when you run over the
> >>>>>>>>> nails they just happened
> >>>>>>>>> to drop in the driveway? It's their land, they have no
> >>>>>>>>> requirement to
> >>>>>>>>> keep their driveway up to your standards.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Setting booby traps may be illegal, and probably is, in his
> >>>>>>>> state.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>> Only in the sense that the booby trap could hurt someone.
> >>>>>>> Setting a booby trap that merely annoys or inconveniences a
> >>>>>>> trespasser isn't a crime.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Possibly. However do you want to be "inconvenienced" when the guy
> >>>>>> sues your ass? A lot of "right" people spend a lot of money
> >>>>>> showing how "right" they are.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> If I molded my life around what might or might not get me sued,
> >>>>> I'd never leave my home.
> >>>>
> >>>>> Besides, despite common perception, a lawsuit has to state a valid
> >>>>> cause of action in order to proceed.
> >>>>
> >>>> Please. The judges in this country hardly EVER throw a case out of
> >>>> court.
> >>>
> >>> When I was practicing, I managed to win summary judgment motions
> >>> regularly. It ain't that hard if the plaintiff has no case.
> >>
> >> Or if the defendants are the drunken criminal daughters of G W Bu$h,
> >> eh?
> >
> > Apparently you don't know the difference between civil law and
> > criminal law.
>
> Apparently you don't know the difference between your ethical
> and moral obligations and aiding and abetting the criminal acts
> of the drunken Bu$h sluts.

None of which has anything to do with the fact that summary judgment is
a procedural motion in a civil case, not a criminal one. Therefore the
Bush girls' case is irrelevant to the topic.

BTR1701 > Thou deceiving oxbeef. Thou
barrel-scraping curtal dog. Ye dribbled:

> In article >,
> "_ Prof. Jonez _" > wrote:
>
>> BTR1701 wrote:
>>> In article >,
>>> "_ Prof. Jonez _" > wrote:
>>>
>>>> BTR1701 wrote:
>>>>> In article . com>,
>>>>> Larry Bud > wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On May 1, 9:42 pm, BTR1701 > wrote:
>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>> .com>, Larry
>>>>>>> Bud > wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Which raises the following question: does a homeowner
>>>>>>>>>>>> have a right
>>>>>>>>>>>> not to
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> allow you to pull into their driveway with the purpose of
>>>>>>>>>>> turning around?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> It's interesting how people seem to think they are somehow
>>>>>>>>>>> entitled to
>>>>>>>>>>> other people's property. I recently had some issues with
>>>>>>>>>>> neighbors thinking they could park in my driveway at will to
>>>>>>>>>>> make access to their cars more convient, even if this made
>>>>>>>>>>> access to our cars on our
>>>>>>>>>>> land next to impossible. The problem has since been
>>>>>>>>>>> handled, but the
>>>>>>>>>>> responses I got during the episode were amazing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I hardly think taking 10 seconds to turn around in someone's
>>>>>>>>>> driveway is equivalent to parking your car there.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> While it technically might be "trespassing", people (his
>>>>>>>>>> neighbor) needs to relax.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also, if you continue to agitate your neighbor by entering
>>>>>>>>>>> their property after notice not to do so, they're likely to
>>>>>>>>>>> return the love. What will you do when you run over the
>>>>>>>>>>> nails they just happened
>>>>>>>>>>> to drop in the driveway? It's their land, they have no
>>>>>>>>>>> requirement to
>>>>>>>>>>> keep their driveway up to your standards.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Setting booby traps may be illegal, and probably is, in his
>>>>>>>>>> state.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Only in the sense that the booby trap could hurt someone.
>>>>>>>>> Setting a booby trap that merely annoys or inconveniences a
>>>>>>>>> trespasser isn't a crime.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Possibly. However do you want to be "inconvenienced" when the
>>>>>>>> guy sues your ass? A lot of "right" people spend a lot of money
>>>>>>>> showing how "right" they are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If I molded my life around what might or might not get me sued,
>>>>>>> I'd never leave my home.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Besides, despite common perception, a lawsuit has to state a
>>>>>>> valid cause of action in order to proceed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please. The judges in this country hardly EVER throw a case out
>>>>>> of court.
>>>>>
>>>>> When I was practicing, I managed to win summary judgment motions
>>>>> regularly. It ain't that hard if the plaintiff has no case.
>>>>
>>>> Or if the defendants are the drunken criminal daughters of G W
>>>> Bu$h, eh?
>>>
>>> Apparently you don't know the difference between civil law and
>>> criminal law.
>>
>> Apparently you don't know the difference between your ethical
>> and moral obligations and aiding and abetting the criminal acts
>> of the drunken Bu$h sluts.
>
> None of which has anything to do with the fact that summary judgment
> is a procedural motion in a civil case, not a criminal one. Therefore
> the Bush girls' case is irrelevant to the topic.

It isn't if the topic changes to drunken Bush sluts.

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