Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?

So I need some more ...hummph ... power in the Wagoneer, as it only has 144
hp which is about 50% of enough.
Any recommendations ? Presumably the Mopar crate engines would bolt up
straight to the Chrysler Torqueflite 727 ? Novak doesn't seem to have any
adapters for the 727 - "if your transmission is not listed it is probably
not worth converting to". I don't / won't take my Waggy off road as it is an
old lady that deserves a little bit of respect :-)

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

Dave Milne did pass the time by typing:
> So I need some more ...hummph ... power in the Wagoneer, as it only has 144
> hp which is about 50% of enough.
> Any recommendations ? Presumably the Mopar crate engines would bolt up
> straight to the Chrysler Torqueflite 727 ? Novak doesn't seem to have any
> adapters for the 727 - "if your transmission is not listed it is probably
> not worth converting to". I don't / won't take my Waggy off road as it is an
> old lady that deserves a little bit of respect :-)

http://www.jimsautoparts.com/mopar_p...ce_engines.htm

*grin*

--
DougW

Dave,

Your Wagoneer would have an AMC engine, with a specially modified Chrysler
Torqueflite 727, that sports an AMC bolt pattern, not a Chrysler bolt
pattern, on the engine end. This means that no Chrysler engine will bolt to
it. Now if you are good at disassembly of the 727, including reassembly so
that it still functions, you can replace the main housing with the Chrysler
variant. Then you could attach any of a number of excellent Chrysler V8s,
which are no doubt real common on your side of the Atlantic.

Which engine do you have? If it is the AMC inline six, then you can bolt
any of the AMC V8s to it, assuming that you can obtain or fabricate engine
mounts, exhaust, various accessories and brackets, and a fuel system. If
you want to keep the LPG option, this can be a problem. If you keep the
current dual fuel setup, you will find that you have more low end torque,
but less top end power than you anticipated. A bigger engine will want more
air, and more fuel. The fly in the oatmeal, is that these engines will be
rarer east of the Atlantic, than they are here.

An option that people have used here, is to use a transfer case adapter, to
put a Chevy truck Turbo Hydromatic 350 in front of the TC, and a Chevy 350
engine in front of that. This is an excellent option for power, and cheap
too. New engines go for about $3,000, the last time I looked, and new
transmissions are pretty cheap too. www.4wd.com has the transmission "all
set up" to bolt to the Dana 300 or NP231 transfer case. Which transfer case
do you have? Important information that.

Way back in 1976, some of my coworkers hit on the idea of putting a Chevy
283 in a 1963 J10 pickup, an ancestor of your Wagoneer. The transplant was
successful, but it took a real long time. The main problem was that many of
the parts had to be ordered through the mail (no Internet then) and so there
was a lot of waiting. My experience with shipping Christmas gifts back from
Spain, was that it is (1) real expensive and (2) less than 100% reliable.
The fault seems to have been with the USPS, not Correos Españoles, but who
knows what they will do with your parts?

You might want to get the Jeep Conversion Manual from the Advance Adapters
web site, http://advanceadapters.com. This explains which transmissions and
engines were used in each vehicle.

Another option to consider is forced induction. A number of companies make
turbo- or super-charger kits for the 4.0 liter Jeep engine. One of these
should bolt right up to your 727, if you find a place to hang the crankshaft
position sensor.

That's all I can think of, for now.

Earle

"Dave Milne" > wrote in message
. uk...
> So I need some more ...hummph ... power in the Wagoneer, as it only has
144
> hp which is about 50% of enough.
> Any recommendations ? Presumably the Mopar crate engines would bolt up
> straight to the Chrysler Torqueflite 727 ? Novak doesn't seem to have any
> adapters for the 727 - "if your transmission is not listed it is probably
> not worth converting to". I don't / won't take my Waggy off road as it is
an
> old lady that deserves a little bit of respect :-)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
>

Hi Earle,

Thanks for your thoughts. The engine is the AMC 360. My first thought
was a crate 401, but I can't find any.
Not too fussed about the fuel consumption, as I do less than 3K/year in it
(just weekend pottering about). Transfer case is the NP229.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
"Earle Horton" > wrote in message
om...
> Dave,
>
> Your Wagoneer would have an AMC engine, with a specially modified Chrysler
> Torqueflite 727, that sports an AMC bolt pattern, not a Chrysler bolt
> pattern, on the engine end. This means that no Chrysler engine will bolt
to
> it. Now if you are good at disassembly of the 727, including reassembly
so
> that it still functions, you can replace the main housing with the
Chrysler
> variant. Then you could attach any of a number of excellent Chrysler V8s,
> which are no doubt real common on your side of the Atlantic.
>
> Which engine do you have? If it is the AMC inline six, then you can bolt
> any of the AMC V8s to it, assuming that you can obtain or fabricate engine
> mounts, exhaust, various accessories and brackets, and a fuel system. If
> you want to keep the LPG option, this can be a problem. If you keep the
> current dual fuel setup, you will find that you have more low end torque,
> but less top end power than you anticipated. A bigger engine will want
more
> air, and more fuel. The fly in the oatmeal, is that these engines will be
> rarer east of the Atlantic, than they are here.
>
> An option that people have used here, is to use a transfer case adapter,
to
> put a Chevy truck Turbo Hydromatic 350 in front of the TC, and a Chevy 350
> engine in front of that. This is an excellent option for power, and cheap
> too. New engines go for about $3,000, the last time I looked, and new
> transmissions are pretty cheap too. www.4wd.com has the transmission "all
> set up" to bolt to the Dana 300 or NP231 transfer case. Which transfer
case
> do you have? Important information that.
>
> Way back in 1976, some of my coworkers hit on the idea of putting a Chevy
> 283 in a 1963 J10 pickup, an ancestor of your Wagoneer. The transplant
was
> successful, but it took a real long time. The main problem was that many
of
> the parts had to be ordered through the mail (no Internet then) and so
there
> was a lot of waiting. My experience with shipping Christmas gifts back
from
> Spain, was that it is (1) real expensive and (2) less than 100% reliable.
> The fault seems to have been with the USPS, not Correos Españoles, but who
> knows what they will do with your parts?
>
> You might want to get the Jeep Conversion Manual from the Advance Adapters
> web site, http://advanceadapters.com. This explains which transmissions
and
> engines were used in each vehicle.
>
> Another option to consider is forced induction. A number of companies
make
> turbo- or super-charger kits for the 4.0 liter Jeep engine. One of these
> should bolt right up to your 727, if you find a place to hang the
crankshaft
> position sensor.
>
> That's all I can think of, for now.
>
> Earle
>
> "Dave Milne" > wrote in message
> . uk...
> > So I need some more ...hummph ... power in the Wagoneer, as it only has
> 144
> > hp which is about 50% of enough.
> > Any recommendations ? Presumably the Mopar crate engines would bolt up
> > straight to the Chrysler Torqueflite 727 ? Novak doesn't seem to have
any
> > adapters for the 727 - "if your transmission is not listed it is
probably
> > not worth converting to". I don't / won't take my Waggy off road as it
is
> an
> > old lady that deserves a little bit of respect :-)
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >
> >
>
>

Is your engine tired or do you just want more power? There are things
you can do to wake those engines up like a hotter cam, better
carburetor, ect.

You might also consider something like this...

http://www.cdpautomachine.com/ecatal...epengines.html

I love those big old tanks, good luck!

Jeff DeWitt

Dave Milne wrote:
> Hi Earle,
>
> Thanks for your thoughts. The engine is the AMC 360. My first thought
> was a crate 401, but I can't find any.
> Not too fussed about the fuel consumption, as I do less than 3K/year in it
> (just weekend pottering about). Transfer case is the NP229.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "Earle Horton" > wrote in message
> om...
>
>>Dave,
>>
>>Your Wagoneer would have an AMC engine, with a specially modified Chrysler
>>Torqueflite 727, that sports an AMC bolt pattern, not a Chrysler bolt
>>pattern, on the engine end. This means that no Chrysler engine will bolt
>
> to
>
>>it. Now if you are good at disassembly of the 727, including reassembly
>
> so
>
>>that it still functions, you can replace the main housing with the
>
> Chrysler
>
>>variant. Then you could attach any of a number of excellent Chrysler V8s,
>>which are no doubt real common on your side of the Atlantic.
>>
>>Which engine do you have? If it is the AMC inline six, then you can bolt
>>any of the AMC V8s to it, assuming that you can obtain or fabricate engine
>>mounts, exhaust, various accessories and brackets, and a fuel system. If
>>you want to keep the LPG option, this can be a problem. If you keep the
>>current dual fuel setup, you will find that you have more low end torque,
>>but less top end power than you anticipated. A bigger engine will want
>
> more
>
>>air, and more fuel. The fly in the oatmeal, is that these engines will be
>>rarer east of the Atlantic, than they are here.
>>
>>An option that people have used here, is to use a transfer case adapter,
>
> to
>
>>put a Chevy truck Turbo Hydromatic 350 in front of the TC, and a Chevy 350
>>engine in front of that. This is an excellent option for power, and cheap
>>too. New engines go for about $3,000, the last time I looked, and new
>>transmissions are pretty cheap too. www.4wd.com has the transmission "all
>>set up" to bolt to the Dana 300 or NP231 transfer case. Which transfer
>
> case
>
>>do you have? Important information that.
>>
>>Way back in 1976, some of my coworkers hit on the idea of putting a Chevy
>>283 in a 1963 J10 pickup, an ancestor of your Wagoneer. The transplant
>
> was
>
>>successful, but it took a real long time. The main problem was that many
>
> of
>
>>the parts had to be ordered through the mail (no Internet then) and so
>
> there
>
>>was a lot of waiting. My experience with shipping Christmas gifts back
>
> from
>
>>Spain, was that it is (1) real expensive and (2) less than 100% reliable.
>>The fault seems to have been with the USPS, not Correos Españoles, but who
>>knows what they will do with your parts?
>>
>>You might want to get the Jeep Conversion Manual from the Advance Adapters
>>web site, http://advanceadapters.com. This explains which transmissions
>
> and
>
>>engines were used in each vehicle.
>>
>>Another option to consider is forced induction. A number of companies
>
> make
>
>>turbo- or super-charger kits for the 4.0 liter Jeep engine. One of these
>>should bolt right up to your 727, if you find a place to hang the
>
> crankshaft
>
>>position sensor.
>>
>>That's all I can think of, for now.
>>
>>Earle
>>
>>"Dave Milne" > wrote in message
o.uk...
>>
>>>So I need some more ...hummph ... power in the Wagoneer, as it only has
>>
>>144
>>
>>>hp which is about 50% of enough.
>>>Any recommendations ? Presumably the Mopar crate engines would bolt up
>>>straight to the Chrysler Torqueflite 727 ? Novak doesn't seem to have
>
> any
>
>>>adapters for the 727 - "if your transmission is not listed it is
>
> probably
>
>>>not worth converting to". I don't / won't take my Waggy off road as it
>
> is
>
>>an
>>
>>>old lady that deserves a little bit of respect :-)
>>>
>>>Dave Milne, Scotland
>>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>

In the UK you have access to the current generation of common rail
diesels, including the V6 in Jaguars and the one in Mercedes. And, fuel
isn't getting cheaper.....not unless the insane plans of the insane
Free World Leader actually work in the Middle East, what are the
chances of that you think???

http://www.cdpautomachine.com/engine...longblock.html

Shipping is going to be quite high.

Earle

"Dave Milne" > wrote in message
. uk...
> Hi Earle,
>
> Thanks for your thoughts. The engine is the AMC 360. My first thought
> was a crate 401, but I can't find any.
> Not too fussed about the fuel consumption, as I do less than 3K/year in it
> (just weekend pottering about). Transfer case is the NP229.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> "Earle Horton" > wrote in message
> om...
> > Dave,
> >
> > Your Wagoneer would have an AMC engine, with a specially modified
Chrysler
> > Torqueflite 727, that sports an AMC bolt pattern, not a Chrysler bolt
> > pattern, on the engine end. This means that no Chrysler engine will
bolt
> to
> > it. Now if you are good at disassembly of the 727, including reassembly
> so
> > that it still functions, you can replace the main housing with the
> Chrysler
> > variant. Then you could attach any of a number of excellent Chrysler
V8s,
> > which are no doubt real common on your side of the Atlantic.
> >
> > Which engine do you have? If it is the AMC inline six, then you can
bolt
> > any of the AMC V8s to it, assuming that you can obtain or fabricate
engine
> > mounts, exhaust, various accessories and brackets, and a fuel system.
If
> > you want to keep the LPG option, this can be a problem. If you keep the
> > current dual fuel setup, you will find that you have more low end
torque,
> > but less top end power than you anticipated. A bigger engine will want
> more
> > air, and more fuel. The fly in the oatmeal, is that these engines will
be
> > rarer east of the Atlantic, than they are here.
> >
> > An option that people have used here, is to use a transfer case adapter,
> to
> > put a Chevy truck Turbo Hydromatic 350 in front of the TC, and a Chevy
350
> > engine in front of that. This is an excellent option for power, and
cheap
> > too. New engines go for about $3,000, the last time I looked, and new
> > transmissions are pretty cheap too. www.4wd.com has the transmission
"all
> > set up" to bolt to the Dana 300 or NP231 transfer case. Which transfer
> case
> > do you have? Important information that.
> >
> > Way back in 1976, some of my coworkers hit on the idea of putting a
Chevy
> > 283 in a 1963 J10 pickup, an ancestor of your Wagoneer. The transplant
> was
> > successful, but it took a real long time. The main problem was that
many
> of
> > the parts had to be ordered through the mail (no Internet then) and so
> there
> > was a lot of waiting. My experience with shipping Christmas gifts back
> from
> > Spain, was that it is (1) real expensive and (2) less than 100%
reliable.
> > The fault seems to have been with the USPS, not Correos Españoles, but
who
> > knows what they will do with your parts?
> >
> > You might want to get the Jeep Conversion Manual from the Advance
Adapters
> > web site, http://advanceadapters.com. This explains which transmissions
> and
> > engines were used in each vehicle.
> >
> > Another option to consider is forced induction. A number of companies
> make
> > turbo- or super-charger kits for the 4.0 liter Jeep engine. One of
these
> > should bolt right up to your 727, if you find a place to hang the
> crankshaft
> > position sensor.
> >
> > That's all I can think of, for now.
> >
> > Earle
> >
> > "Dave Milne" > wrote in message
> > . uk...
> > > So I need some more ...hummph ... power in the Wagoneer, as it only
has
> > 144
> > > hp which is about 50% of enough.
> > > Any recommendations ? Presumably the Mopar crate engines would bolt up
> > > straight to the Chrysler Torqueflite 727 ? Novak doesn't seem to have
> any
> > > adapters for the 727 - "if your transmission is not listed it is
> probably
> > > not worth converting to". I don't / won't take my Waggy off road as it
> is
> > an
> > > old lady that deserves a little bit of respect :-)
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

When was the last tune up? It is amazing what a new distributor cap,
rotor, wires and plugs can do for them. You also can get a hotter coil,
like an Accel or Mallory to toss in which also can really boost power
because you can open the plug gaps for a big assed spark.

What is the current compression? If it is carboned up it will run like
crap too. How about oil consumption? If those are good, you can boost
the intake with a larger carb and add headers with larger diameter
exhaust to get some more 'seat of the pants' oomph.

How about checking with Chrysler for a short or long box engine? They
sell them here in Canada at a competitive price even last time I
checked.

Mike
86/00 CJ7 Laredo, 33x9.5 BFG Muds, 'glass nose to tail in '00
88 Cherokee 235 BFG AT's
Canadian Off Road Trips Photos: Non members can still view!
Jan/06 http://www.imagestation.com/album/pi...?id=2115147590
(More Off Road album links at bottom of the view page)

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> So I need some more ...hummph ... power in the Wagoneer, as it only has 144
> hp which is about 50% of enough.
> Any recommendations ? Presumably the Mopar crate engines would bolt up
> straight to the Chrysler Torqueflite 727 ? Novak doesn't seem to have any
> adapters for the 727 - "if your transmission is not listed it is probably
> not worth converting to". I don't / won't take my Waggy off road as it is an
> old lady that deserves a little bit of respect :-)
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

Dave said he wasn't that concerned about fuel mileage as the Jeep isn't
a daily driver, and you would have to drive a LOT to make up the extra
expense of changing to a modern diesel.

Yeah... President Bush is both crazy and stupid, that's why he keeps
beating his opponents...but this isn't a politics NG.

Jeff DeWitt

Bret Ludwig wrote:
> In the UK you have access to the current generation of common rail
> diesels, including the V6 in Jaguars and the one in Mercedes. And, fuel
> isn't getting cheaper.....not unless the insane plans of the insane
> Free World Leader actually work in the Middle East, what are the
> chances of that you think???
>

Jeff DeWitt wrote:
> Dave said he wasn't that concerned about fuel mileage as the Jeep isn't
> a daily driver, and you would have to drive a LOT to make up the extra
> expense of changing to a modern diesel.
>
> Yeah... President Bush is both crazy and stupid, that's why he keeps
> beating his opponents...but this isn't a politics NG.


Which opponents would that be?