Wagoneer Engine Replacement Choices ?

Bret Ludwig wrote:
> Jeff DeWitt wrote:
>
>>Dave said he wasn't that concerned about fuel mileage as the Jeep isn't
>>a daily driver, and you would have to drive a LOT to make up the extra
>>expense of changing to a modern diesel.
>>
>>Yeah... President Bush is both crazy and stupid, that's why he keeps
>>beating his opponents...but this isn't a politics NG.
>
>
>
> Which opponents would that be?
>

To start with the Democrats...

I'm not a fan of George Bush, and this isn't a political forum, lets
talk about Jeeps, that's what we are here for.

Jeff DeWitt

No, engine seems fine. It just doesn't put out that much power to start off
with, and a little less with LPG.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"Jeff DeWitt" > wrote in message
.. .
> Is your engine tired or do you just want more power? There are things
> you can do to wake those engines up like a hotter cam, better
> carburetor, ect.
>
> You might also consider something like this...
>
> http://www.cdpautomachine.com/ecatal...epengines.html
>
> I love those big old tanks, good luck!
>
> Jeff DeWitt
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> > Hi Earle,
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughts. The engine is the AMC 360. My first
thought
> > was a crate 401, but I can't find any.
> > Not too fussed about the fuel consumption, as I do less than 3K/year in
it
> > (just weekend pottering about). Transfer case is the NP229.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > "Earle Horton" > wrote in message
> > om...
> >
> >>Dave,
> >>
> >>Your Wagoneer would have an AMC engine, with a specially modified
Chrysler
> >>Torqueflite 727, that sports an AMC bolt pattern, not a Chrysler bolt
> >>pattern, on the engine end. This means that no Chrysler engine will
bolt
> >
> > to
> >
> >>it. Now if you are good at disassembly of the 727, including reassembly
> >
> > so
> >
> >>that it still functions, you can replace the main housing with the
> >
> > Chrysler
> >
> >>variant. Then you could attach any of a number of excellent Chrysler
V8s,
> >>which are no doubt real common on your side of the Atlantic.
> >>
> >>Which engine do you have? If it is the AMC inline six, then you can
bolt
> >>any of the AMC V8s to it, assuming that you can obtain or fabricate
engine
> >>mounts, exhaust, various accessories and brackets, and a fuel system.
If
> >>you want to keep the LPG option, this can be a problem. If you keep the
> >>current dual fuel setup, you will find that you have more low end
torque,
> >>but less top end power than you anticipated. A bigger engine will want
> >
> > more
> >
> >>air, and more fuel. The fly in the oatmeal, is that these engines will
be
> >>rarer east of the Atlantic, than they are here.
> >>
> >>An option that people have used here, is to use a transfer case adapter,
> >
> > to
> >
> >>put a Chevy truck Turbo Hydromatic 350 in front of the TC, and a Chevy
350
> >>engine in front of that. This is an excellent option for power, and
cheap
> >>too. New engines go for about $3,000, the last time I looked, and new
> >>transmissions are pretty cheap too. www.4wd.com has the transmission
"all
> >>set up" to bolt to the Dana 300 or NP231 transfer case. Which transfer
> >
> > case
> >
> >>do you have? Important information that.
> >>
> >>Way back in 1976, some of my coworkers hit on the idea of putting a
Chevy
> >>283 in a 1963 J10 pickup, an ancestor of your Wagoneer. The transplant
> >
> > was
> >
> >>successful, but it took a real long time. The main problem was that
many
> >
> > of
> >
> >>the parts had to be ordered through the mail (no Internet then) and so
> >
> > there
> >
> >>was a lot of waiting. My experience with shipping Christmas gifts back
> >
> > from
> >
> >>Spain, was that it is (1) real expensive and (2) less than 100%
reliable.
> >>The fault seems to have been with the USPS, not Correos Españoles, but
who
> >>knows what they will do with your parts?
> >>
> >>You might want to get the Jeep Conversion Manual from the Advance
Adapters
> >>web site, http://advanceadapters.com. This explains which transmissions
> >
> > and
> >
> >>engines were used in each vehicle.
> >>
> >>Another option to consider is forced induction. A number of companies
> >
> > make
> >
> >>turbo- or super-charger kits for the 4.0 liter Jeep engine. One of
these
> >>should bolt right up to your 727, if you find a place to hang the
> >
> > crankshaft
> >
> >>position sensor.
> >>
> >>That's all I can think of, for now.
> >>
> >>Earle
> >>
> >>"Dave Milne" > wrote in message
> o.uk...
> >>
> >>>So I need some more ...hummph ... power in the Wagoneer, as it only has
> >>
> >>144
> >>
> >>>hp which is about 50% of enough.
> >>>Any recommendations ? Presumably the Mopar crate engines would bolt up
> >>>straight to the Chrysler Torqueflite 727 ? Novak doesn't seem to have
> >
> > any
> >
> >>>adapters for the 727 - "if your transmission is not listed it is
> >
> > probably
> >
> >>>not worth converting to". I don't / won't take my Waggy off road as it
> >
> > is
> >
> >>an
> >>
> >>>old lady that deserves a little bit of respect :-)
> >>>
> >>>Dave Milne, Scotland
> >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >

"And less with LPG" No sh*t Sherlock! By a factor of fifty percent!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> No, engine seems fine. It just doesn't put out that much power to start off
> with, and a little less with LPG.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

L.W.(Bill) Hughes III wrote:
> "And less with LPG" No sh*t Sherlock! By a factor of fifty percent!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/


More insane twaddle.

>
> I'm not a fan of George Bush, and this isn't a political forum, lets talk
> about Jeeps, that's what we are here for.

Just wait till 2008. It wasn't Bush who beat his opponents, it was Karl "I
told the Special Prosecutor the truth but lied to the American People" Rove.

"Jeff DeWitt" > wrote in message
. ..
> Bret Ludwig wrote:
> > Jeff DeWitt wrote:
> >
> >>Dave said he wasn't that concerned about fuel mileage as the Jeep isn't
> >>a daily driver, and you would have to drive a LOT to make up the extra
> >>expense of changing to a modern diesel.
> >>
> >>Yeah... President Bush is both crazy and stupid, that's why he keeps
> >>beating his opponents...but this isn't a politics NG.
> >
> >
> >
> > Which opponents would that be?
> >
>
> To start with the Democrats...
>
> I'm not a fan of George Bush, and this isn't a political forum, lets
> talk about Jeeps, that's what we are here for.
>
> Jeff DeWitt

You should have kept quiet and let Mr. Ludwig fizzle out, like he always
does.

Earle

Dave,

The AMC 360 cid is a big engine, by today's standards. If it "doesn't put
out that much power to start off with" you may have a problem with the choke
pull-off, egr or ignition. I wouldn't give up on it, especially in view of
the expense of an engine upgrade, buying parts no doubt mail order from the
U.S. You could always try some of the performance upgrades to the 360, that
others have mentioned. How are your local Polizei with regard to a
free-flowing exhaust?

Earle

"Dave Milne" > wrote in message
. uk...
> No, engine seems fine. It just doesn't put out that much power to start
off
> with, and a little less with LPG.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "Jeff DeWitt" > wrote in message
> .. .
> > Is your engine tired or do you just want more power? There are things
> > you can do to wake those engines up like a hotter cam, better
> > carburetor, ect.
> >
> > You might also consider something like this...
> >
> > http://www.cdpautomachine.com/ecatal...epengines.html
> >
> > I love those big old tanks, good luck!
> >
> > Jeff DeWitt
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > > Hi Earle,
> > >
> > > Thanks for your thoughts. The engine is the AMC 360. My first
> thought
> > > was a crate 401, but I can't find any.
> > > Not too fussed about the fuel consumption, as I do less than 3K/year
in
> it
> > > (just weekend pottering about). Transfer case is the NP229.
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > > "Earle Horton" > wrote in message
> > > om...
> > >
> > >>Dave,
> > >>
> > >>Your Wagoneer would have an AMC engine, with a specially modified
> Chrysler
> > >>Torqueflite 727, that sports an AMC bolt pattern, not a Chrysler bolt
> > >>pattern, on the engine end. This means that no Chrysler engine will
> bolt
> > >
> > > to
> > >
> > >>it. Now if you are good at disassembly of the 727, including
reassembly
> > >
> > > so
> > >
> > >>that it still functions, you can replace the main housing with the
> > >
> > > Chrysler
> > >
> > >>variant. Then you could attach any of a number of excellent Chrysler
> V8s,
> > >>which are no doubt real common on your side of the Atlantic.
> > >>
> > >>Which engine do you have? If it is the AMC inline six, then you can
> bolt
> > >>any of the AMC V8s to it, assuming that you can obtain or fabricate
> engine
> > >>mounts, exhaust, various accessories and brackets, and a fuel system.
> If
> > >>you want to keep the LPG option, this can be a problem. If you keep
the
> > >>current dual fuel setup, you will find that you have more low end
> torque,
> > >>but less top end power than you anticipated. A bigger engine will
want
> > >
> > > more
> > >
> > >>air, and more fuel. The fly in the oatmeal, is that these engines
will
> be
> > >>rarer east of the Atlantic, than they are here.
> > >>
> > >>An option that people have used here, is to use a transfer case
adapter,
> > >
> > > to
> > >
> > >>put a Chevy truck Turbo Hydromatic 350 in front of the TC, and a Chevy
> 350
> > >>engine in front of that. This is an excellent option for power, and
> cheap
> > >>too. New engines go for about $3,000, the last time I looked, and new
> > >>transmissions are pretty cheap too. www.4wd.com has the transmission
> "all
> > >>set up" to bolt to the Dana 300 or NP231 transfer case. Which
transfer
> > >
> > > case
> > >
> > >>do you have? Important information that.
> > >>
> > >>Way back in 1976, some of my coworkers hit on the idea of putting a
> Chevy
> > >>283 in a 1963 J10 pickup, an ancestor of your Wagoneer. The
transplant
> > >
> > > was
> > >
> > >>successful, but it took a real long time. The main problem was that
> many
> > >
> > > of
> > >
> > >>the parts had to be ordered through the mail (no Internet then) and so
> > >
> > > there
> > >
> > >>was a lot of waiting. My experience with shipping Christmas gifts
back
> > >
> > > from
> > >
> > >>Spain, was that it is (1) real expensive and (2) less than 100%
> reliable.
> > >>The fault seems to have been with the USPS, not Correos Españoles, but
> who
> > >>knows what they will do with your parts?
> > >>
> > >>You might want to get the Jeep Conversion Manual from the Advance
> Adapters
> > >>web site, http://advanceadapters.com. This explains which
transmissions
> > >
> > > and
> > >
> > >>engines were used in each vehicle.
> > >>
> > >>Another option to consider is forced induction. A number of companies
> > >
> > > make
> > >
> > >>turbo- or super-charger kits for the 4.0 liter Jeep engine. One of
> these
> > >>should bolt right up to your 727, if you find a place to hang the
> > >
> > > crankshaft
> > >
> > >>position sensor.
> > >>
> > >>That's all I can think of, for now.
> > >>
> > >>Earle
> > >>
> > >>"Dave Milne" > wrote in message
> > o.uk...
> > >>
> > >>>So I need some more ...hummph ... power in the Wagoneer, as it only
has
> > >>
> > >>144
> > >>
> > >>>hp which is about 50% of enough.
> > >>>Any recommendations ? Presumably the Mopar crate engines would bolt
up
> > >>>straight to the Chrysler Torqueflite 727 ? Novak doesn't seem to have
> > >
> > > any
> > >
> > >>>adapters for the 727 - "if your transmission is not listed it is
> > >
> > > probably
> > >
> > >>>not worth converting to". I don't / won't take my Waggy off road as
it
> > >
> > > is
> > >
> > >>an
> > >>
> > >>>old lady that deserves a little bit of respect :-)
> > >>>
> > >>>Dave Milne, Scotland
> > >>>'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
>
>

Then why don't put your money where your mouth is, and put it on
your vehicles! I'd like nothing better than it pull you to your death!
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Bret Ludwig wrote:
><snip bullsh*t>

No, it's not that bad. 10% tops.

Dave Milne, Scotland
'91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

"L.W.(Bill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
...
> "And less with LPG" No sh*t Sherlock! By a factor of fifty percent!
> God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> http://www.billhughes.com/
>
> Dave Milne wrote:
> >
> > No, engine seems fine. It just doesn't put out that much power to start
off
> > with, and a little less with LPG.
> >
> > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ

Hi Dave,
If you notice you're the only one complaining about the six's
power. Therefo it's more like fifty percent, unless your carburetor
compensates for acceleration with power diaphragms and pumps like a
regular carburetor, making much more than the designed fifteen to one
gasses mixture.
God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
http://www.billhughes.com/

Dave Milne wrote:
>
> No, it's not that bad. 10% tops.
>
> Dave Milne, Scotland
> '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ
>
> "L.W.(Bill) Hughes III" > wrote in message
> ...
> > "And less with LPG" No sh*t Sherlock! By a factor of fifty percent!
> > God Bless America, Bill O|||||||O
> > http://www.billhughes.com/
> >
> > Dave Milne wrote:
> > >
> > > No, engine seems fine. It just doesn't put out that much power to start
> off
> > > with, and a little less with LPG.
> > >
> > > Dave Milne, Scotland
> > > '91 Grand Wagoneer, '99 TJ