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Attention AHPBBFM & RAMFM Members
CobraJet wrote:
> It's nice to see some 20-odd people reply to the Roll Call. However, > it seems everyone is just waiting for someone else to post first. I never understood this thinking... folks complaining that things are dead, yet they're reluctant to post anything. It's like someone thinking the conversation at a party sucks, while *they* are sitting in a back corner with their mouth shut the whole time. > People, take a look through the list of other alt.-hierarchy auto > groups. The number of them that are now totally abandoned is > considerable. Unless some of you take the initiative to create more > talk, we will join their ranks. Yep, a NG only lives because of consistent contributions by its members. > I am no longer of the mindset to flog this group into shape by myself. Matter > of fact, I have back-shelved personal auto endeavors until I'm done building > things around here. He flogs; I massage. > I'm not alone in this concern. Patrick in RAMFM has expressed > concern over the steady decline in quality on-topic banter. Even the > proliferation of "tech" questions by the same confused individual under > a multitude of different nyms is not going to help them or us. He's calls me a confused individual... that's okay... I swiped him earlier with the term stupid. > I know Patrick tries hard, but sooner or later he has to realize it can't be > a one-man show. Thanks, I do try hard. But I've never thought of myself as a one-man show. I've only tried to do my part, and hoped others would do theirs. > One person here needs to take charge and field suggestions for > keeping this group alive. I see it a little differently. Again, it isn't a one-person job. No one person can do it. It takes everyone who reads the NG to keep it alive. > It won't be me. If things pick up consistently, I may participate as time > permits. Otherwise, I may "see" some of you Webside next year. My NG contributions will soon end. I will be checking out later this week. I may be back sometime next year. I am a little concerned when/if I do come back that there may not be anything to come back to. So here's a thought I will leave with the remaining regulars of both newsgroups: Between the two newsgroups there is a considerable amount of talent and dedication, at least enough to keep one group alive and thriving. So I think it may be time to merge the two groups/and their regulars back together. Before anyone says this is blasphemy, let me remind you that this particular asshole will not be around to muck things up. Let me repeat this, *I* will *not* be around, *at all*. So if I was the, or a, reason you left RAMFM to start AHPBBFM (which is probably 90% of the AHPBBFM members), you can take me out of your equation. The current equation being: is it better to be member of a thriving NG, or to one that limps along? Now some of you are probably thinking what happens "when/if" Patrick comes back. I will tell you this. I know the errors of my past. If I come back, I'll will extend the olive branch and will be mellowed out. Yes, this will probably be hard for me to do, but *I promise* I will be diplomatic for the sake of a continued existence in our little corner of Usenet. Now some of you might be thinking this is game, a ploy, or a load of BS, but let me assure you it is not. I do not play games. This is not a ploy. I do not BS. And I do not troll (like some others do). I will be replying a few more times in RAMFM, I will send out a final post, and then I will be gone. It's just a thought, but I think the time has come... can you all come together...? The decision is yours... Patrick '93 Cobra |
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Sooooo...
whatcha gonna do huh huh???? Where ya gonna go huh huh???? I WANNA GO!!!!! Oh yea. maybe I won't be able to, not having a feeeord any more. > wrote in message oups.com... : CobraJet wrote: : : > It's nice to see some 20-odd people reply to the Roll Call. However, : > it seems everyone is just waiting for someone else to post first. : : I never understood this thinking... folks complaining that things are : dead, yet they're reluctant to post anything. It's like someone : thinking the conversation at a party sucks, while *they* are sitting in : a back corner with their mouth shut the whole time. : : > People, take a look through the list of other alt.-hierarchy auto : > groups. The number of them that are now totally abandoned is : > considerable. Unless some of you take the initiative to create more : > talk, we will join their ranks. : : Yep, a NG only lives because of consistent contributions by its : members. : : > I am no longer of the mindset to flog this group into shape by myself. Matter > of fact, I have back-shelved personal auto endeavors until I'm done building > things around here. : : He flogs; I massage. : : > I'm not alone in this concern. Patrick in RAMFM has expressed : > concern over the steady decline in quality on-topic banter. Even the : > proliferation of "tech" questions by the same confused individual under : > a multitude of different nyms is not going to help them or us. : : He's calls me a confused individual... that's okay... I swiped him : earlier with the term stupid. : : > I know Patrick tries hard, but sooner or later he has to realize it can't be > a one-man show. : : Thanks, I do try hard. But I've never thought of myself as a one-man : show. I've only tried to do my part, and hoped others would do theirs. : : : > One person here needs to take charge and field suggestions for : > keeping this group alive. : : I see it a little differently. Again, it isn't a one-person job. No : one person can do it. It takes everyone who reads the NG to keep it : alive. : : > It won't be me. If things pick up consistently, I may participate as time : > permits. Otherwise, I may "see" some of you Webside next year. : : My NG contributions will soon end. I will be checking out later this : week. I may be back sometime next year. I am a little concerned : when/if I do come back that there may not be anything to come back to. : So here's a thought I will leave with the remaining regulars of both : newsgroups: Between the two newsgroups there is a considerable amount : of talent and dedication, at least enough to keep one group alive and : thriving. So I think it may be time to merge the two groups/and their : regulars back together. Before anyone says this is blasphemy, let me : remind you that this particular asshole will not be around to muck : things up. Let me repeat this, *I* will *not* be around, *at all*. So : if I was the, or a, reason you left RAMFM to start AHPBBFM (which is : probably 90% of the AHPBBFM members), you can take me out of your : equation. The current equation being: is it better to be member of a : thriving NG, or to one that limps along? Now some of you are probably : thinking what happens "when/if" Patrick comes back. I will tell you : this. I know the errors of my past. If I come back, I'll will extend : the olive branch and will be mellowed out. Yes, this will probably be : hard for me to do, but *I promise* I will be diplomatic for the sake of : a continued existence in our little corner of Usenet. Now some of you : might be thinking this is game, a ploy, or a load of BS, but let me : assure you it is not. I do not play games. This is not a ploy. I do : not BS. And I do not troll (like some others do). I will be replying : a few more times in RAMFM, I will send out a final post, and then I : will be gone. It's just a thought, but I think the time has come... : can you all come together...? The decision is yours... : : Patrick : '93 Cobra : |
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> wrote in message
oups.com... > CobraJet wrote: > > > It's nice to see some 20-odd people reply to the Roll Call. However, > > it seems everyone is just waiting for someone else to post first. > > I never understood this thinking... folks complaining that things are > dead, yet they're reluctant to post anything. It's like someone > thinking the conversation at a party sucks, while *they* are sitting in > a back corner with their mouth shut the whole time. > > > People, take a look through the list of other alt.-hierarchy auto > > groups. The number of them that are now totally abandoned is > > considerable. Unless some of you take the initiative to create more > > talk, we will join their ranks. > > Yep, a NG only lives because of consistent contributions by its > members. > > > I am no longer of the mindset to flog this group into shape by myself. Matter > of fact, I have back-shelved personal auto endeavors until I'm done building > things around here. > > He flogs; I massage. > > > I'm not alone in this concern. Patrick in RAMFM has expressed > > concern over the steady decline in quality on-topic banter. Even the > > proliferation of "tech" questions by the same confused individual under > > a multitude of different nyms is not going to help them or us. > > He's calls me a confused individual... that's okay... I swiped him > earlier with the term stupid. > > > I know Patrick tries hard, but sooner or later he has to realize it can't be > a one-man show. > > Thanks, I do try hard. But I've never thought of myself as a one-man > show. I've only tried to do my part, and hoped others would do theirs. > > > > One person here needs to take charge and field suggestions for > > keeping this group alive. > > I see it a little differently. Again, it isn't a one-person job. No > one person can do it. It takes everyone who reads the NG to keep it > alive. > > > It won't be me. If things pick up consistently, I may participate as time > > permits. Otherwise, I may "see" some of you Webside next year. > > My NG contributions will soon end. I will be checking out later this > week. I may be back sometime next year. I am a little concerned > when/if I do come back that there may not be anything to come back to. > So here's a thought I will leave with the remaining regulars of both > newsgroups: Between the two newsgroups there is a considerable amount > of talent and dedication, at least enough to keep one group alive and > thriving. So I think it may be time to merge the two groups/and their > regulars back together. Before anyone says this is blasphemy, let me > remind you that this particular asshole will not be around to muck > things up. Let me repeat this, *I* will *not* be around, *at all*. So > if I was the, or a, reason you left RAMFM to start AHPBBFM (which is > probably 90% of the AHPBBFM members), you can take me out of your > equation. The current equation being: is it better to be member of a > thriving NG, or to one that limps along? Now some of you are probably > thinking what happens "when/if" Patrick comes back. I will tell you > this. I know the errors of my past. If I come back, I'll will extend > the olive branch and will be mellowed out. Yes, this will probably be > hard for me to do, but *I promise* I will be diplomatic for the sake of > a continued existence in our little corner of Usenet. Now some of you > might be thinking this is game, a ploy, or a load of BS, but let me > assure you it is not. I do not play games. This is not a ploy. I do > not BS. And I do not troll (like some others do). I will be replying > a few more times in RAMFM, I will send out a final post, and then I > will be gone. It's just a thought, but I think the time has come... > can you all come together...? The decision is yours... > > Patrick > '93 Cobra Dunno how long you've been part of this NG or usenet for that matter. I've been online in one alias or another both as a participant, operator and lurker, for over 20 years. The one thing that is very apparent is that discussion groups wax and wane on a regular basis. Some of the reasons, in no particular order, a 1) seasonal...there's a definite downswing due to the fact most ppl are out enjoying the summer. Fall, winter & spring are busy usenet times. 2) some posters just don't get the idea of someone else having a different opinion, and their entitlement to having that different opinion. This results in the obvious 100 reply threads which in effect amount to nothing more than "you're an asshole" and "I know you are but what am I?" Yes, its true, they're an irritant and you don't have to read them... but they're like an itch... sooner or later you're gonna scratch it. 3) 2 or more talented persons who have no respect for each other's abilities ..- instead of "thats interesting, I'd have done it this way" which would have resulted in more and less confusing information for the question asked...... however, usually just result in #2. 4) subject matter...on an unmoderated NG.. too many OTs will kill it everytime (especially controversial topics)....see #2. 5) lurkers... yeah I'm one... I'm unclear as to how lurkers affect a NG's survival... if I don't have anything to contribute, I don't. If I wanted to just chat.. there's IRC... I've operated/moderated a few rooms in my day.. but they all folded sooner or later due to general lack of attendance. 6) internet forums.. due to their availability and diversity.. from car specific club forums, to car specific forums, to parts manufacturer or suppliers forums, for the most part will get you your information plus the benefit of illustrations. - - Trolls.... are so immaterial and so far down the list in importance I couldn't find a number.... Patrick, in short, this NG will either live or die, neither you, nor I, nor the whole bunch of regulars will help it to survive if there's a lack of interest. If by survival you mean "Hey Kate! What did you do this weekend?", it may end up that way. If by survival you mean "My framus won't connect to my '88 chrome reverse muffler bearings.. do I need to???", will depend on the obvious... ppl will have to pose the questions. -- Jafo '02 GT Black Not eggzackly stock. PS... btw Kate... What DID you do this weekend? LMBO |
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In article .com>,
> wrote: > CobraJet wrote: RAMFM should know that Patrick brought this post over here from the Big Block group, and it really should have been posted whole to keep it in context. > > > It's nice to see some 20-odd people reply to the Roll Call. However, > > it seems everyone is just waiting for someone else to post first. > > I never understood this thinking... folks complaining that things are > dead, yet they're reluctant to post anything. It's like someone > thinking the conversation at a party sucks, while *they* are sitting in > a back corner with their mouth shut the whole time. Sometimes I think people hesitate to post about whatever because they think it may not be interesting or important. This should not be a factor, as you cannot second guess another person's opinion. On the flip side, there have been some really ass-kickin' posts that received little or no feedback. This attitude creates apathy. If you liked what someone else had to say, take a moment and say so. Remember the "old" CobraJet? I wrote stories and offered my brand of twisted humor in various ways. After a while, I felt that nobody cared, so I quit. The only way I could get interaction was flaming the snot out of someone. See how that works? > > > People, take a look through the list of other alt.-hierarchy auto > > groups. The number of them that are now totally abandoned is > > considerable. Unless some of you take the initiative to create more > > talk, we will join their ranks. > > Yep, a NG only lives because of consistent contributions by its > members. Yep. > > > I am no longer of the mindset to flog this group into shape by myself. > > Matter > of fact, I have back-shelved personal auto endeavors until I'm > > done building > things around here. > > He flogs; I massage. I'm probably more adept with a whip than you, but I digress. > > > I'm not alone in this concern. Patrick in RAMFM has expressed > > concern over the steady decline in quality on-topic banter. Even the > > proliferation of "tech" questions by the same confused individual under > > a multitude of different nyms is not going to help them or us. > > He's calls me a confused individual... that's okay... I swiped him > earlier with the term stupid. I had to laugh at this, sorry. Feeling a bit picked on? As Wound Up mentioned in the other group, you were not the person I was referring to. Not even close. Or... Do you know what a nym is? *Are* you admitting to this? Me, stupid? Arrogant and calculating at times, maybe. > > > I know Patrick tries hard, but sooner or later he has to realize it can't > > be > a one-man show. > > Thanks, I do try hard. But I've never thought of myself as a one-man > show. I've only tried to do my part, and hoped others would do theirs. I entirely understand your efforts, although you must spend an awful lot of time in the Webside auto sites. > > > > One person here needs to take charge and field suggestions for > > keeping this group alive. > > I see it a little differently. Again, it isn't a one-person job. No > one person can do it. It takes everyone who reads the NG to keep it > alive. Again, "here" in context is AHPBBFM. I absolutely believe in the merits of an organizer who can coordinate discussion and ideas. Obviously, a lone crusader is destined to failure. Most of the newbies in RAMFM have no reference for comparison. When I came on board in '98, there were three to four hundred posts a day. Of course, there was the still the occasional flame war, but enough on-topic stuff to keep ya hoppin'. I remember "conversations" where I had to reload this group every few minutes too keep up. Now, well, if you extract the off-topic crap here, there isn't much left. > > > It won't be me. If things pick up consistently, I may participate as time > > permits. Otherwise, I may "see" some of you Webside next year. > > My NG contributions will soon end. I will be checking out later this > week. I may be back sometime next year. I am a little concerned > when/if I do come back that there may not be anything to come back to. > So here's a thought I will leave with the remaining regulars of both > newsgroups: Between the two newsgroups there is a considerable amount > of talent and dedication, at least enough to keep one group alive and > thriving. So I think it may be time to merge the two groups/and their > regulars back together. Before anyone says this is blasphemy, let me Physically and ideologically impossible. There are people here who have no interest in our topics, and people in the BB group who consider RAMFM an utter waste of time after years of flaming and off-topic ****. Those who still like both, will post in both. You see Thunder Snakes here on a regular basis. > remind you that this particular asshole will not be around to muck > things up. Let me repeat this, *I* will *not* be around, *at all*. So I understand you are getting burned out, and there are other things in life. Today's posts are in fact four months after my last posts, so I know. My primary criticism in the past of your "news of the hour" approach was that your headlines were too broad-based, involving cars that are not even close to the main reason a person looking to join here would be interested in. There surely must be enough Mustang-related tech and whatnot out there to post in here instead. And again, it should not be on *you* to pull this stuff in by yourself. > if I was the, or a, reason you left RAMFM to start AHPBBFM (which is > probably 90% of the AHPBBFM members), you can take me out of your Well, don't flatter yourself too much. Although you and I went around in circles over a couple things, the main reason I formed AHPBBFM is as I've mentioned several times; there were SO many posts in here about late models and small blocks that the occasional BB talk got buried. Plus, for me, the world doesn't revolve around Mustangs. You know, I have five Torinos and three Cyclones and several even bigger cars. > equation. The current equation being: is it better to be member of a > thriving NG, or to one that limps along? The talk is too different to ever join. In case you missed it, the main subject of the post you replied to was to upload a revised version of the AHPBBFM Posting Rules. RAMFM people are far too interested in non-Mustang happenings to abide by rules, and AHPBBFM guys *generally* want to stick to the topics listed in the page. > Now some of you are probably > thinking what happens "when/if" Patrick comes back. I will tell you > this. I know the errors of my past. If I come back, I'll will extend > the olive branch and will be mellowed out. Yes, this will probably be > hard for me to do, but *I promise* I will be diplomatic for the sake of > a continued existence in our little corner of Usenet. Now some of you > might be thinking this is game, a ploy, or a load of BS, but let me > assure you it is not. I do not play games. This is not a ploy. I do > not BS. And I do not troll (like some others do). I will be replying > a few more times in RAMFM, I will send out a final post, and then I > will be gone. It's just a thought, but I think the time has come... > can you all come together...? The decision is yours... The time *has* come for everyone to mellow out, otherwise there simply will be nothing here. Countless people have exited Usenet over the years because they could just not stomach the elevated temperatures for any length of time. In the past, we continued the bickering because it seemed there would always be sufficient members. Things are changing. No, they have changed already. Remember when we used to get trolled by guys who crossposted in from other groups? Hell, even they are MIA; their home groups are wastelands now. There are those among us presently that play games of subterfuge and guile to get their little kicks, aided by members who just cannot resist egging them on. Some of them even know some things about cars. What will they do when they are left to talk to themselves? This *IS* already happening, BTW. I see it like this. New blood has to create ideas for group projects and increased membership. The merits of Usenet participation need to be trotted in front of the Websiders. If you can pull in a fraction of them, you'd be in good shape. RAMFM (and my group) needs to back off the negativism towards websites that "illicitly" monitor newsgroups. None of those guys are getting rich, but they *are* providing an avenue for recruitment. Wake up, people, it's free advertising. Posting **** like "Autoforumz sux" just makes us look like kids. A serious consideration to at least a few basic enforceable rules in the Mustang group is a must. Again, one of the reasons the Web has prospered is because some semblance of order exists there. Religion and politics are the two most incendiary topics anywhere. They have their place in Usenet; the auto groups ain't it. Years ago I proposed basic rules and the formation or commandeering of another newsgroup (by that I mean using one already formed that is empty) for off-topic yakking. It was turned down. Ironically, most of the people who objected are no longer posting. See what happens? I can come up with ideas all day long, being "stupid" and all. But I refuse to burn up my time implementing them myself. Everyone has to play, or we can all go Webside. The two groups cannot "join", but can collaborate on ideas and tactics. The overt and covert Trolls need to grow up or be frozen completely. For me, I will see what happens over the next two weeks. Patrick, I can't tell you what to do, but I advise against shutting the door entirely unless you see continued apathy. I am crossposting this in violation of the rules I wrote due to its importance and topic matter. For those of you in RAMFM interested in these rules, the new version is he http://members.dancris.com/~cobrajet/AHPBBFM.html CobraJet > > Patrick > '93 Cobra > -- CobraJet |
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Just to add my two cents worth of apathy...
For whatever it's worth, because I'm more of a lurker than an active contributor, I stopped paying close attention to RAMFM some time ago. Not because of anything other than the fact that Usenet, relative to the alternatives, is a pain in the ass to use. I have to buy a decent feed to use decent tools or use free feeds and their tools (Google) which are all right but still pretty pathetic compared to the web-based forums that exist now and which are all free (at least the ones I care about). Usenet and the related tools don't have the features that the web-based systems offer such as editing a post, deleting a post, or using styles and such. As for content, just about every major tuner has a board on the web, and most of the auto clubs as well. I also have several choices of local forums with people I know and cruise with or see at get togethers. There are also more choices of forums specific to my interests and they are easier to find and easier to participate on, imho, because of the tools. And, sadly, there is simply more information and tech out on the web then there is in Usenet right now. So, while I still check in out of habit, I don't spend too much effort because it's just relatively harder to deal with on a post to post basis. If there were more activity I might change my mind. But it would have to be significant because the tools would still suck. I know, it takes participation to make a group work well, and that's another problem for me since I barely have time to check in. Combine all the Usenet issues with this and here I am posting to the *only* Usenet group that I follow anymore at all . Dan 2003 Cobra convertible With some stuff and things |
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(snipped for a selective reply) > Years ago I proposed basic rules and the formation or commandeering > of another newsgroup (by that I mean using one already formed that is > empty) for off-topic yakking. It was turned down. Ironically, most of > the people who objected are no longer posting. See what happens? > I think the idea of using alt.autos.mercury.cougar (although the Cougar has gone through many metamorphoses) for OT and SBF talk was a good one. It's also a spot where those of us who drive other OT Fords (e.g., Super Coupes, Crown Vics, and Tempos) can discuss the cars that fall between the two groups. Some of us still use AAMC. > I can come up with ideas all day long, being "stupid" and all. But I > refuse to burn up my time implementing them myself. Everyone has to > play, or we can all go Webside. > Well, there's one. Interrupting a political thread with "you are way OT, all interested please go here" is another. Updating the RAMFM charter with a "political and religious discussions" clause (and using the RAMFM charter) is another. -- Wound Up ThunderSnake #65 |
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