Conventional oil hard to find?

On 3/27/2021 12:06 PM, mike wrote:

> What I need now that I'm shifting from conventional to synthetic is a good
> way to tell the quality of any two oils from just the packages in my hands.
>
> As you can tell by now I don't get my facts out of my ass so I'm willingly
> admitting openly that I don't yet know how to compare any two synthetics.
>
> Do you?
> Does anyone?
>
> How?

If a synthetic meets the requirements of your car it will be suitable.
Synthetics are superior to conventional.

As to Brand X vs Brand Y, I've seen some "tests" but nothing meaningful.
One YouTube video was a given amount of oil spilled on a track and the
time to run down measured. Huh? Has nothing to do with performance in
your engine at 6000 rpm.

A real test would be a series of sleeve bearings run for many hours,
each with a different brand of the same viscosity oil and the shaft and
bearing measured for wear. Another could be the power required to turn
a shaft at a given speed using different oils.

I'm sure there may be minor differences but I don't think any would be a
bad choice.

On 27-03-2021 17:01 Scott Dorsey > wrote:

> Same way you compare any two oils.

Alls you have is the jug in your hand when you're at the store.

Do you know of any real reviews (unbiased, not shills, not bull****)?

> Viscosity breakdown with time,
> viscosity curve with temperature, adhesion, solvent characteristics,
> ability to keep particulates in solution, three-ball test, etc.

All oils "breakdown with time."

Nothing wrong with replacing oil every single day but I'm asking about
specifications for synthetic oil when the factory shop manual is followed.
https://addinol.de/en/products/lubri...pecifications/

> There are standards for all this stuff and in general the European
> standards are tighter than the US ones.

As the saying goes the problem is there are so many standards.

ACEA A1/B1, A5/B5, A3/B4 A5/B5-10, A5/B5-12
https://www.oilspecifications.org/acea.php

API SN, SN Plus, SN-RC, SM, SL, SP
https://www.oilspecifications.org/articles/api-sn.php

BMW LL-01, LL-04
https://www.oilspecifications.org/bmw.php

Chrysler MS 6395
http://www.kmn-lubricants.com/wp-con...e-05-03-13.pdf

FIAT 9.55535-H2, FIAT 9.55535-M2, FIAT 9.55535-N2
https://www.oilspecifications.org/fiat.php

Ford WSS-M2C153-H, WSS-M2C929-A, WSS-M2C930-A, WSS-M2C945-A, WSS-M2C946-A, WSS-M2C947-A
https://www.oilspecifications.org/ford.php

GM-Opel LL B-025
https://www.oilspecifications.org/general_motors_gm.php

GM 4718M, 6094M, LL-A-025, dexos1 Gen 2, Gen 3
https://www.oilspecifications.org/general_motors_gm.php

Honda HTO-06
http://pqiadata.org/Honda_0W20.html

ILSAC GF-5, GF-4, GF-3
https://www.oilspecifications.org/ilsac.php

MB-Approval 229.5
https://www.oilspecifications.org/mercedes_mb.php

Porsche A40
https://lnengineering.com/products/j...cing-oils.html

Renault RN0700, RN0710
https://www.oilspecifications.org/renault.php

VW 502 00 - 505 00
https://www.oilspecifications.org/ar..._explained.php

Alls I want is to be able to compare the oils I see in the USA stores.

> It's interesting to look across a given line... for example the
> Castrol Syntec 10W-40 meets the latest
> European standards but the 10W-30 and 10W-50 formulations do not.

Most people compare by price or brand or marketing bull**** but that's not me.
I wish to compare by what matters.

I just don't know yet how to compare by quality for various synthetics.
I'll give the manufacturers a call starting with what's at Costco today.
https://www.costco.com/motor-oil.html

Kirkland (Warren Distribution is the blender in Omaha Nebraska).
https://warrendistribution.com/contact/
(800)825-1235

Mobil 1 (https://www.mobil.com/en/lubricants/contact-us)
(800)662-4525

Both are around $2.50 to around $3.00 per quart so price isn't the issue.
Both have the same specs on the container so I need to ask them more.

The issue is making a good decision but on this newsgroup almost
everything I've heard people are pulling out of their assholes.

Some dufuses even refuted what the articles said saying they
didn't say what they said while one pussy claimed shop manuals
didn't say what they say without producing any evidence at all.

As I've repeatedly said you can choose and change your oil on any
metric you like but just don't try to bull**** me & we will do fine.

I am not afraid to say that I do NOT yet know how to choose between
any two synthetic oils based on whats on the outside of the jug yet.

Alls I'm asking is if anyone here knows something about that choice
so that it can be made based on what's printed on the jug itself.

If it's not going to be printed on the jug itself then alls we
need is a reliable web site that isn't a shill that doesn't
spew bull**** and which actually tests oil for what matters.

Is that asking for too much from this newsgroup?

"mike" > wrote in message
...
> On 27-03-2021 05:00 Ed Pawlowski > wrote:
>
>> The links are a bit contradictory.
>
> I know exactly what the links said.
> It's someone else who said the links didn't say what I said they said.
>
> I'm not a believer in bull**** as you can probably tell by now.
>
>> First link says:
>> keep things simple by changing your oil filter every time
>
> Nothing wrong with replacing your oil & filter every day of the week.
> That's why I said it's OK whatever schedule others used.
>
> Alls I said was the manufacturers often recommend every other interval.
> Those who refuted that fact didn't produce a single reference.

You never supplied any evidence for your OFTEN claim.

> I produced five.

Which doesn’t qualify as OFTEN.

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mike > wrote
> Scott Dorsey > wrote

>> Same way you compare any two oils.

> Alls you have is the jug in your hand when you're at the store.

Nope, you can research what the store has online before you go there.

> Do you know of any real reviews (unbiased, not shills, not bull****)?

The certification tests.

>> Viscosity breakdown with time, viscosity curve with temperature,
>> adhesion, solvent characteristics, ability to keep particulates in
>> solution, three-ball test, etc.

> All oils "breakdown with time."

Yes, but some to that slower than others.

> Nothing wrong with replacing oil every single day but I'm asking about
> specifications for synthetic oil when the factory shop manual is followed.
> https://addinol.de/en/products/lubri...pecifications/

>> There are standards for all this stuff and in general the European
>> standards are tighter than the US ones.

> As the saying goes the problem is there are so many standards.

But some are better than others with oils.

On 3/27/2021 2:16 PM, mike wrote:

> Alls I'm asking is if anyone here knows something about that choice
> so that it can be made based on what's printed on the jug itself.
>
> If it's not going to be printed on the jug itself then alls we need is a
> reliable web site that isn't a shill that doesn't
> spew bull**** and which actually tests oil for what matters.
>
> Is that asking for too much from this newsgroup?

Yes. I don't think such a site exists.

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On 3/27/2021 2:16 PM, mike wrote:
>
> If it's not going to be printed on the jug itself then alls we need is a
> reliable web site that isn't a shill that doesn't
> spew bull**** and which actually tests oil for what matters.

So, do the tests and put it up.

Don't complain that information is missing from the internet. Information
only gets on the internet because people like you and I put it there.
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On 27-03-2021 19:33 Scott Dorsey > wrote:

> So, do the tests and put it up.

There is plenty of information already on filter teardowns and conventional
oil so what we need I think is only a good place to get unbiased synthetic
oil comparisons which I always start with the specs and move up from there.

Trusting you said the euro specs seem to be better this is I think a good
overall summary of the different euro specifications I'll put on my phone.
https://addinol.de/en/products/lubri...pecifications/

> Don't complain that information is missing from the internet.

Luckily a lot of people have asked the question I asked as here are some
questions and answers for the synthetics sold by Costco in the USA
https://www.costco.com/motor-oil.html

https://autotroop.com/do-you-know-wh...and-motor-oil/
https://community.cartalk.com/t/test...tor-oil/162771
https://bobistheoilguy.com/forums/th...obil-1.324246/
https://www.quora.com/How-does-Kirkl...are-to-Mobil-1
https://www.toyotanation.com/threads...c-oil.1677645/
https://www.reddit.com/r/Costco/comm..._think_pretty/
https://www.kia-forums.com/threads/k...l-test.345327/
https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/...-oil/91077555/

The UK people have a different set of oils to be looking at
https://www.costco.co.uk/Tyres-Autom...ds/c/cos_8.6.4

> Information
> only gets on the internet because people like you and I put it there.

Most of these synthetic motor oil comparison reviews appear to be shills
https://www.bestproducts.com/cars/pa...car-motor-oil/
https://motorday.com/best-synthetic-oils/
https://popular.reviews/best-synthetic-motor-oils/
https://pickup-world.com/best-0w20-synthetic-oil/

This is perhaps the best I've found so far
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9il_piyuT8

What have you found?

In article >, mike > wrote:
>On 27-03-2021 17:01 Scott Dorsey > wrote:
>
>> Viscosity breakdown with time,
>> viscosity curve with temperature, adhesion, solvent characteristics,
>> ability to keep particulates in solution, three-ball test, etc.
>
>All oils "breakdown with time."

Yes, that's why you test it. It's been forty years since I took tribo class,
but at the time there was a standard measurement with a rotating drum inside
a stationary drum that creates high shear on the test sample. You measure
viscosity regularly and plot it against time.

Clean linear paraffin oils did well on the test, oils with a lot of
crosslinking or rings did poorly.

You'd think a "synthetic oil" base would be pure linear paraffin chains with a
very narrow range of molecular weights and you might be right or you might
be terribly wrong, depending. Also, of course, the VI breaks down, not just
the base oil.
--scott

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