Two kinds of idiots

(Brent P) wrote in
:

> In article >, Joe
> wrote:
>
>> Kate, I really thought you had more sense than this. What did you
>> tell your kids when they learned to drive? That going 5mph over
>> the limit is just fine because "everybody does it"? Did you tell
>> them that the law is only a "suggestion"?
>
> So all laws are good and need to be obeyed because their laws eh?

Some laws suck, but they're still laws. You have a choice. Either
obey them or risk the consequences.

> Did your grandfather drink during prohibition? Would you?

I honestly don't know and don't care. It's not an issue.

> Do you know how many laws you break in a day? I can't even tell you
> how many I break. There are so many laws about this and that, I
> don't even know them all. And I know and follow many many more than
> most people.
>
> I even know that as an adult I cannot legally ride a bicycle on the
> sidewalk. Numerous driver's insist on it however. The law states to
> use the road and ride by the letter of the IL vehicle code.

So what's your point?

Here's the deal that you and a lot of others are missing: If you don't
like laws and insist on breaking them, go right ahead and take the
risk that comes with it. And since you're doing your own thing, don't
whine about the fact that the laws exist - you're ignoring them
anyway. You've got no basis for complaining.

(Brent P) wrote in news:F_adnZhhB-
:

> In article >, RichA
wrote:
>
>> I would personally like them to do this; Raise speed limits on
>> highways to 80mph, with the admonition that anyone caught going
>> over that limit would be fined far more heavily than they are now.
>
> That would be excellent. But the problem is, it would mean enforcing
> speed limits for safety instead of profit. Enforcing for safety
costs
> money, enforcing for profit makes money.

Another newsflash: There aren't enough cops to enforce the speed
limit, whether it's for money or safety. There will _always_ be more
speeders and wreckless drivers than police to catch them.

Why is this still going on..!!!

Garth I dont know how you have your news set up..

But all three of the readers I use have the threads nested.

Now given that some dont know how to edit replies|replies|replies|.... ad
nauseum...
WHY IN HE!! do I have to scroll down through everything I read in the
previous post?

And do it over and over again!

Your position makes sense in the old days of text readers...IT MAKES NO
sense today. I used text readers then, I use modern ones today

If the post I'm replying to is short then I'll bottom post... otherwise I
will be kind and assume that the reader got the previous and doesnt want to
read it again.. and usually I edit to the specific point I'm replying to...
But I sure aint going to bottom post unless there's a reason for it.

"Brent P" > wrote in message
...
> In article >, Joe wrote:
>
> So all laws are good and need to be obeyed because their laws eh?
> Did your grandfather drink during prohibition? Would you?
>

My grandfather was a conscientious objector, he made wine and ran a still
for his own consumption. He shared the fruits of his labor with his
friends. Out of the kindness of their hearts, they paid him to defray his
expenses. Sounds a lot like old man Kennedy (Joseph), right? Nope, that's
not us.

--
John
ThunderSnake #59

I use the "blend into the pack" method for determining my speed too. If
I'm out in the open and the road isn't wide open giving the cops no
place to hide then I stay about 5-7 mph over the limit. You're right
about the risk of a ticket not being worth arriving to your destination
a few minutes ahead of schedule.

It is funny how cars on the highways behave like schools of fish do in
the ocean with the cops imitating the predators.

Joe wrote:
> I agree. Every day I commute to work and back, I see at least several
> nut jobs weaving in and out of traffic (mostly in wannabe ricemobiles)
> doing 15-20mph above what everybody else is doing. These idiots will
> be doing their thing regardless of the speed limit. And of course,
> there are always the moron 2-wheelers who drive down the line in
> between lanes. The other day I almost saw one get taken out because a
> car changed lanes right in front of him.
>
> The bottom line though, is that I really don't care anymore what the
> speed limit is. Unless I'm speeding to blend in with everybody else,
> I'll obey it simply because I don't want any points. And so what if I
> get to my destination 10 minutes later? It certainly isn't going to
> kill me...
>
>
> "Michael Johnson, PE" > wrote in
> :
>
>
>>IMO, the real threat to drivers are those that feel the need to
>>drive either much slower or faster than the "pack". They will be
>>there no matter what the speed limit may be. I bet the overwhelming
>>majority of drivers would support a 75-80 mph speed limit on most
>>rural interstate highways and be perfectly willing to accept
>>whatever additional risk they may be exposed to as a result. I know
>>I would for one. One other thing is that most new cars perform
>>(brake, handle etc.) much better than the ones on the road when the
>>interstate highway system was conceived and designed. This is
>>further reason why raising the speed limit to 75-80 mph wouldn't
>>cause profits for funeral homes to skyrocket.
>>
>>Joe wrote:
>>
>>>Within the last few years, they raised the speed limit on I-75 down
>>>here to 70. It was 65, and everybody did 80-85, so they redid
>>>their study and agreed that it was certainly safe to raise it to
>>>70. So now everybody does 80-90.
>>>
>>>
>>>"Michael Johnson, PE" > wrote in
>>>news >>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>I remember talking to an old VDOT employee several years ago and he
>>>>told me how they determined speed limits before the design of
>>>>roadways became standardized. They observed the actual traffic
>>>>speed, plugged those numbers into an equation (nothing complicated
>>>>I'm sure), rounded to the nearest multiple of 5 mph and that number
>>>>was the speed limit. Too bad this still isn't the way it is done.
>>>>
>>>>Joe wrote:
><snip>

Personally, I could care less, if BrentP or anyone else wants to
exceed the posted limits and/or violate any other traffic laws.
UNTIL
Their conduct infringes upon the rights and safety of others.

Want to kill yourself, be my guest. Want to take some poor family of
five with you, no way. And it doesn't take much for one idiot who
thinks they have it under total control 100% of the time, to lose it
over a wayward deer suddenly appearing on the turnpike, or suffer a
blown tire, or have someone pulling a trailer cut you off because they
are not aware of how much distance they really take up. As I'm sure
most know, in some parts of the country, the weather can be perfectly
clear, and then suddenly you're in a torrential downpour, a sand or
dust or snow storm, or valley fog. One car brakes because they lost
visibility, and that 75mph driver plows right into them. Anyone recall
what the record for a chain collision is or how many died?

The traffic laws are not there simply to restrict you. They are there
for the welfare and safety of all users. As I recall, they are called
"public" roadways, meaning they are there for everyone's use.

Break the law if you want. If you get cited, points assessed, a fine,
increased insurance rates, don't whine. You knew the risk and you took
it upon yourself.

And, if you are the cause, and we're picking up the body parts of
children who had no choice in the matter of whether you sped or their
parents obeyed the, law... you better hope to hell you died at the
scene. It's easy for the BrentPs of the world to whine about having
laws to obey which they think stupid... but they are never the ones
who have to pick up the pieces of broken bodies of innocents.

As for BrentP, if it's so bad here, and so good in Germany, leave.
Surrender your citizenship, and leave. And be welcome back when you
have a passport from you new native land, and a visa to visit this
land of the " police state" which you seem to detest so much. You
won't go though. You'll just whine. Why is it so many who live here
run this nation down, and do nothing constructive to improve it? Why
is it they run the country down and refuse to abandoned it? Why do so
many every year try, legally or illegally, to immigrate to here? I
hear you can get some good deals on airfare right now.






On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:56:09 GMT, "SVTKate"
> wrote:

>
>"Brent P" > wrote in message
...
>| In article .net>,
>SVTKate wrote:
>|
>| > But seriously, how many poeple do you know that do the exact speed
>limit? I
>| > mean that will admit to always going the limit.
>|
>| The ISP has been threatening to use photo radar in construction zones.
>| I've been slowing to the posted 45mph speed instead of the customary
>| 55-65 depending on the road conditions. I keep to the right, and man have
>| I been ****ing people off. A few times I had to accelerate just to avoid
>| being crashed into. I how have to balance my safety vs. the law. There
>| should never be such a condition.
>|
>
>
>I have seen this situation so many times I cannot tell you.
>Since my husband worked heavy construction nearly all of his life we tend to
>be extremely contentious in construction zones. We KNOWwhat it's like for
>the guys working out there and we want to see each and every one of them
>make it home at the end of their shift.
>
>I have many times had people really angry at me for driving the posted
>limit, or big trucks drive rught up my tailpipe. There comes a point where
>you feel that you must go faster to avoid being rammed from behind.
>
>It's situations like this that can get very dangerous. I DO wish that they
>would require the construction speed signs be covered when the crews have
>gone home. So that normal traffic can flow. If the road conditions permit it
>of course.
>
>Even if a soul isn't on the site, if you exceed the speed limit in a
>construction zone, you can get popped with a double fine... for endangering
>no one. I think that is bull****.
>
>Kate
>

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"Spike" > wrote in message
...
> Personally, I could care less, if BrentP or anyone else wants to
> exceed the posted limits and/or violate any other traffic laws.
> UNTIL
> Their conduct infringes upon the rights and safety of others.
>
> Want to kill yourself, be my guest. Want to take some poor family of
> five with you, no way. And it doesn't take much for one idiot who
> thinks they have it under total control 100% of the time, to lose it
> over a wayward deer suddenly appearing on the turnpike, or suffer a
> blown tire, or have someone pulling a trailer cut you off because they
> are not aware of how much distance they really take up. As I'm sure
> most know, in some parts of the country, the weather can be perfectly
> clear, and then suddenly you're in a torrential downpour, a sand or
> dust or snow storm, or valley fog. One car brakes because they lost
> visibility, and that 75mph driver plows right into them. Anyone recall
> what the record for a chain collision is or how many died?
>
> The traffic laws are not there simply to restrict you. They are there
> for the welfare and safety of all users. As I recall, they are called
> "public" roadways, meaning they are there for everyone's use.
>
> Break the law if you want. If you get cited, points assessed, a fine,
> increased insurance rates, don't whine. You knew the risk and you took
> it upon yourself.
>
> And, if you are the cause, and we're picking up the body parts of
> children who had no choice in the matter of whether you sped or their
> parents obeyed the, law... you better hope to hell you died at the
> scene. It's easy for the BrentPs of the world to whine about having
> laws to obey which they think stupid... but they are never the ones
> who have to pick up the pieces of broken bodies of innocents.
>
> As for BrentP, if it's so bad here, and so good in Germany, leave.
> Surrender your citizenship, and leave. And be welcome back when you
> have a passport from you new native land, and a visa to visit this
> land of the " police state" which you seem to detest so much. You
> won't go though. You'll just whine. Why is it so many who live here
> run this nation down, and do nothing constructive to improve it? Why
> is it they run the country down and refuse to abandoned it? Why do so
> many every year try, legally or illegally, to immigrate to here? I
> hear you can get some good deals on airfare right now.
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, 24 Apr 2005 11:56:09 GMT, "SVTKate"
> > wrote:
>
> >
> >"Brent P" > wrote in message
> ...
> >| In article .net>,
> >SVTKate wrote:
> >|
> >| > But seriously, how many poeple do you know that do the exact speed
> >limit? I
> >| > mean that will admit to always going the limit.
> >|
> >| The ISP has been threatening to use photo radar in construction zones.
> >| I've been slowing to the posted 45mph speed instead of the customary
> >| 55-65 depending on the road conditions. I keep to the right, and man
have
> >| I been ****ing people off. A few times I had to accelerate just to
avoid
> >| being crashed into. I how have to balance my safety vs. the law. There
> >| should never be such a condition.
> >|
> >
> >
> >I have seen this situation so many times I cannot tell you.
> >Since my husband worked heavy construction nearly all of his life we tend
to
> >be extremely contentious in construction zones. We KNOWwhat it's like for
> >the guys working out there and we want to see each and every one of them
> >make it home at the end of their shift.
> >
> >I have many times had people really angry at me for driving the posted
> >limit, or big trucks drive rught up my tailpipe. There comes a point
where
> >you feel that you must go faster to avoid being rammed from behind.
> >
> >It's situations like this that can get very dangerous. I DO wish that
they
> >would require the construction speed signs be covered when the crews have
> >gone home. So that normal traffic can flow. If the road conditions permit
it
> >of course.
> >
> >Even if a soul isn't on the site, if you exceed the speed limit in a
> >construction zone, you can get popped with a double fine... for
endangering
> >no one. I think that is bull****.
> >
> >Kate
> >
>
> Hey! Spikey Likes IT!
> 1965 Ford Mustang fastback 2+2 A Code 289 C4 Trac-Lok
> Vintage Burgundy w/Black Standard Interior
> Vintage 40 Wheels 16X8"
> w/BF Goodrich Comp T/A Radial 225/50ZR16

You don't seem to understand how things work. You don't care. It's all
about your ease of doing things, just like most top posters. Just push
the work on other people.

And it seems you have a inability to read and pay attention. I start top
posting in threads about top posting. Because it's the best way to
demonstrate my points.





In article >, Joe wrote:
> Again, so what? If you don't like it don't read it. If you want to
> whine about it, get ready for responses. And btw, why do you continue
> to top post if it's so horrible?
>
>
> (Brent P) wrote in
> :
>
>>
>> Really? I've seen 1000 line posts when two top posters went at it.
>> Posts so long that I would have to wait on a broadband connection.
>> Back when I was using modem connections, these would really suck.
>>
>> Also, 95+% of top posters I've encountered don't trim, don't do any
>> work what so ever, they expect other people to do it. There are a
>> few idiot bottom posters who do the same. No trimming what so ever.
>> Posts that are practically unreadable except for the new content.
>>
>> As I stated before, it's also a good way just to ignore points the
>> other person has made.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> In article >, Joe
>> wrote:
>>> (Brent P) wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> Well it slows things down, is wasteful, hard to follow, messy. If
>>>> you are refering to pushing the work on others, well it's just
>>>> plain rude.
>>>
>>> Not to usurp Kate's response, but the above is simply bull****.
>>>
>>>
>>>> In article >, Joe
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> So what?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> (Brent P) wrote in
>>>>> :
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And if we keep top posting long enough, the last post in the
>>>>>> thread will be a 1000 lines wrong. That's why I start top
>>>>>> posting when someone decides to argue with me that it's ok. If I
>>>>>> top post long enough, they begin to get the point. See, top
>>>>>> posting doesn't work well when neither party is doing the clean
>>>>>> up work. Top posters function because others are doing the clean
>>>>>> up
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In article >, Joe
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I tend to follow the leader. If I respond to a top post (like
>>>>>>> this one), I'll top post. If I respond to a bottom post, I'll
>>>>>>> bottom post. Real easy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Joe
>>>>>>> Calypso Green '93 5.0 LX AOD hatch with a few goodies
>>>>>>> Black '03 Dakota 5.9 R/T CC
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (Brent P) wrote in
>>>>>>> :
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article
>>>>>>>> .net>,
>>>>>>>> SVTKate wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Yes, because it forces all the work on the other person. and
>>>>>>>> it puts things out out of order. Most top posters, including
>>>>>>>> the one I responded to, don't even bother to trim.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The only reason top posting occurs so much now, is because of
>>>>>>>> microsoft crapware.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Because someone top posts that makes them disrespectful?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I think it makes it easier to read the comment wiithout
>>>>>>>>> having to sort through the whole post.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Back in the day" top posting was considered a no-no, times
>>>>>>>>> have changed. You may as well get used to it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Kate
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Brent P" > wrote
>>>>>>>>>| You haven't been arguing from 'authority', top posting and
>>>>>>>>>| ignoring my points that is not respect.
>>>>>>>>>|
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> *snipped for clarity*
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>

In article .net>, SVTKate wrote:
>
> "Brent P" > wrote
>|
>| I even know that as an adult I cannot legally ride a bicycle on the
>| sidewalk. Numerous driver's insist on it however. The law states to use
>| the road and ride by the letter of the IL vehicle code.
>|
>
> When was the last time you tried to ride a bike on the street?

The day before it got cold again. Tuesday.

> We bought dirt bikes several years ago, decided to ride along the canals.
> The sheriff's department kicked us off. A couple of old folks, riding biked
> for exercise.
> The streets were't safe, so we sold the damn bikes and said ta-hell-with-it.

> Out here in Tennessee, there is no f-ing way I would try to ride a bike on
> the road. These people drive like idiots.
> Even worse than California.

I don't give in so easily. I also am capable of out performing most
drivers in city/suburban traffic. In other words, the cars in front of me
slow me down. Drivers may pass me mid-block, but I will usually stay on
the same light cycle as them for miles on end.

(Brent P) wrote in
:

>
> You don't seem to understand how things work.

I understand very well how things work. What you don't seem to
understand is how things _don't_ work.

> You don't care.

Bingo! Give the man a cigar.

After all, it's only USENET.

> It's
> all about your ease of doing things, just like most top posters.
> Just push the work on other people.

Dude, if you had read, you'd have seen that I top post to other
people's top posting. I bottom post to other people's bottom posts.
I'm flexible.

> And it seems you have a inability to read and pay attention.

It seems that way because _you_ aren't reading and paying attention.

> I start
> top posting in threads about top posting. Because it's the best way
> to demonstrate my points.

LOL! Whatever. As you said above, I really don't give a rat's ass.