"King Of The Road" Returns With 540HP

On Mar 31, 1:26 pm, Joe > wrote:

> > Maybe Ford should think about providing GT500s in a decent quantity to
> > keep the prices reasonable instead of offering another high priced
> > Mustang variant. This is why Ford is loosing me as a loyal customer.
> > They just don't get it and, frankly, I really don't care if they go
> > bankrupt. It is looking more and more like they lied to us about the
> > production numbers of the GT500.

> I hate to say "I told you so", but...

Note: Ford plans to build 1,000 "KR's this year and the number of
regular GT500s was supposed to be around 10,000 with no set end
number.

Production numbers for the '68 version: GT500 Fastback 1,140 units,
GT500 Convertible 402 units, GT500KR Fastback 933 units, GT500KR
Convertible 318 units.

Patrick

Michael Johnson > wrote in
:

> Joe wrote:
>> Michael Johnson > wrote in
>> :
>>
>>> wrote:
>>>> http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...=2007703300380
>>> Maybe Ford should think about providing GT500s in a decent quantity
>>> to keep the prices reasonable instead of offering another high
>>> priced Mustang variant. This is why Ford is loosing me as a loyal
>>> customer. They just don't get it and, frankly, I really don't care
>>> if they go bankrupt. It is looking more and more like they lied to
>>> us about the production numbers of the GT500.
>>
>> I hate to say "I told you so", but...
>
> Ahhhh.... go ahead. You deserve it!

"I told you so!"

>>> The only reason they are coming out
>>> with this car is to keep the prices of Cobras in the stratosphere
>>> and out of reach for most Mustang enthusiasts.
>>
>> Exactly. More "limited production" stuff. Just what we need. NOT!
>
> This is just a blatant move to keep prices up. I didn't mind them
> getting ridiculous money for the first run of GT500s but this shows
> that they planned to gouge the first buyers and then manipulate the
> product line to keep it going. Like I said, screw them. I give Ford
> a 50/50 chance, at best, of surviving another 5-10 years without being
> some other car brands bitch (i.e. controlled by another entity). If
> that happens I won't shed one tear for them. Considering the greed of
> the UAW and the stupidity of Ford's management they deserve whatever
> they get.

I'm right with you.

>>> Screw them. When is the
>>> Camaro due to hit the showroom floor? Maybe they want my money and
>> not
>>> an arm and a leg too.
>>
>> Indeed. The next few years should prove very interesting. Lots of
>> stuff happening - Chrysler's impending sale, Ford/GM's impending
>> doom, Toyota about to mop up the domestic truck market, and vehicles
>> like the Camaro and Challenger about to make an appearance.
>
> I'm definitely going to look at all options when it comes time to buy.
> Right now I have zero loyalty left for Ford's vehicles. We have
> bought nothing but Fords for the last 15+ years with the exception of
> one Nissan (240SX convertible). The Nissan was just an impulse buy
> from a guy in the neighborhood.

Given today's economy, I have to consider every brand. Brand loyalty is
simply being shortsighted IMO.

> My wife wants a new SUV around the first of the year and we are about
> 90% sure it will be a Toyota. They make good vehicles that have great
> resale value and I personally know a guy that owns two Toyota
> dealerships so getting a good price and excellent service will be a
> given. When I turn to the Dark Side you know Ford is in deep ****.

I hear you, Michael. I'm in the same boat, in that I'm seriously
considering another truck, and the Ram was my number one choice until I
looked at the Tundra in depth. At the car show last week, I sat in all
four trucks (F150, Silverado, Ram, Tundra), and priced them with top-of-
the-line engines. The clear theoretical winner was the Toyota followed
up by the Ram. I didn't like the Ford's interior, and the Chevy was
priced out of this world.

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> On Mar 31, 1:26 pm, Joe > wrote:
>> Michael Johnson > wrote
>> om:
>
>> Indeed. The next few years should prove very interesting. Lots of
>> stuff happening - Chrysler's impending sale, Ford/GM's impending
>> doom,
>
> GM is on the upswing. They're going to make it.

Some of their divisions may not - this merits watching.

> Ford on the other
> hand... I think Mike nailed the odds when he said a 50/50 survival
> rate.

Agreed.

> Ford has continued to do some stupid stuff. Most recent case in
> point, their new tall wagon, they removed the show version's clam-
> shell rear doors and then named the vehicle the "Flex".

This wasn't at the show last weekend, but from what I've seen on the
Internet it's ridiculous.

>> Toyota about to mop up the domestic truck market,
>
> I thought it was interesting C&D rated the new Silverado #1 and the
> new Toyota pickup #2. When was the last time you saw a GM product
> beat a brand new Toyota?

I don't know what they based the test on, but the Tundra wipes up the
Silverado hands down IMO. I checkout out all the full size trucks last
week, and the 6.0 Silverado 4-door was about $4000 more than a
comparable Tundra. The Tundra's got the most powerful engine, more
standard features, and tons more room in the back seat.

>> and vehicles like the Camaro and Challenger about to make an
>> appearance.
>
> I have a feeling the new Challenger will be overpriced and
> overweight. And I think if GM sweats the small details the Camaro
> will be an awesome pony car.
>
> Patrick

It'll certainly be a formidable competitor to the Mustang if they price
it right. The Mustang GT is still a helluva bargain.

(Brent P) wrote in
:

> In article .com>,
> wrote:
>
>> I have a feeling the new Challenger will be overpriced and
>> overweight. And I think if GM sweats the small details the Camaro
>> will be an awesome pony car.
>
> If it doesn't turn out to be a FWD I4/V6 car like they've done with
> most of the classic nameplates...

Have you been hiding under a rock? Its RWD drivetrain has been
plastered all over the Internet...

wrote:
> On Mar 31, 1:26 pm, Joe > wrote:
>
>>> Maybe Ford should think about providing GT500s in a decent quantity to
>>> keep the prices reasonable instead of offering another high priced
>>> Mustang variant. This is why Ford is loosing me as a loyal customer.
>>> They just don't get it and, frankly, I really don't care if they go
>>> bankrupt. It is looking more and more like they lied to us about the
>>> production numbers of the GT500.
>
>> I hate to say "I told you so", but...
>
> Note: Ford plans to build 1,000 "KR's this year and the number of
> regular GT500s was supposed to be around 10,000 with no set end
> number.
>
> Production numbers for the '68 version: GT500 Fastback 1,140 units,
> GT500 Convertible 402 units, GT500KR Fastback 933 units, GT500KR
> Convertible 318 units.

Has Ford made available the running production number for the GT500?
I'm curious to know how many have actually been shipped to dealers.

wrote in news:1175442562.288644.27410
@y80g2000hsf.googlegroups.com:

> On Mar 31, 1:26 pm, Joe > wrote:
>
>> > Maybe Ford should think about providing GT500s in a decent quantity
to
>> > keep the prices reasonable instead of offering another high priced
>> > Mustang variant. This is why Ford is loosing me as a loyal
customer.
>> > They just don't get it and, frankly, I really don't care if they go
>> > bankrupt. It is looking more and more like they lied to us about
the
>> > production numbers of the GT500.
>
>> I hate to say "I told you so", but...
>
> Note: Ford plans to build 1,000 "KR's this year and the number of
> regular GT500s was supposed to be around 10,000 with no set end
> number.
>
> Production numbers for the '68 version: GT500 Fastback 1,140 units,
> GT500 Convertible 402 units, GT500KR Fastback 933 units, GT500KR
> Convertible 318 units.
>
> Patrick

The old vs. new production numbers aren't the issue; it's Ford not
making these new cars available to the general public. I'd love to see
real production and sales numbers for the GT500...

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> On Apr 1, 12:14 am, (Brent P)
> wrote:
>
>> > wrote:
>> >>http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...=2007703300380
>> > Maybe Ford should think about providing GT500s in a decent quantity
>> > to keep the prices reasonable instead of offering another high
>> > priced Mustang variant. This is why Ford is loosing me as a loyal
>> > customer.
>
>> They've probably lost me as well. All this time waiting for the price
>> to go down has me not being so interested any more. By the time it
>> gets to sticker I may have none left for the car.
>
>> > They just don't get it and, frankly, I really don't care if they go
>> > bankrupt. It is looking more and more like they lied to us about
>> > the production numbers of the GT500.
>>
>> The momement they said they were going distribute the cars by dealer
>> allotment I knew this was going happen and caught a lot flak in here
>> for it. Ford has no desire to bring any car to market that's worth
>> buying without controlling production to the point that the price
>> doesn't go through the roof at the dealership.
>
> I've seen a couple at the dealers in my neck of the woods. And just
> yesterday saw a red 'vert cruising the streets. Don't know what
> they're paying for them though.
>
>> > The only reason they are coming out
>> > with this car is to keep the prices of Cobras in the stratosphere
>> > and out of reach for most Mustang enthusiasts. Screw them. When
>> > is the Camaro due to hit the showroom floor? Maybe they want my
>> > money and not an arm and a leg too.
>
>> I am waiting for Ford to pull the plug on the GT500. At some point
>> before dealer prices hit sticker IMO they are going to say they
>> 'can't afford to build the low production model anymore' or they are
>> going to say there haven't been enough sales, or some lame ass excuse
>> and cancel it. The fact they moved the SVT chief elsewhere has me
>> thinking they are heading that way.
>
> Maybe SVT will go more production line thereby increasing the numbers
> and lowering the cost.
>
>> The local chevy dealer always has a good number of corvettes in
>> stock. Never saw a GT500 at the local Ford dealer.
>
> When you're the only game in town, like the Mustang is, you can keep
> prices higher. But with increased competition (the new pony cars that
> are coming) Ford will be forced to play the buyers game.
>
> Patrick

I think it's going to be the other way around. Chevy and Chrysler
already have a target - the Mustang GT. They'll have to keep their cars
competitive from a performance, price, and value standpoint.

Michael Johnson > wrote in
:

> Brent P wrote:
>> In article >, Michael
>> Johnson wrote:
>>> wrote:
>>>> http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...=2007703300380
>>
>>> Maybe Ford should think about providing GT500s in a decent quantity
>>> to keep the prices reasonable instead of offering another high
>>> priced Mustang variant. This is why Ford is loosing me as a loyal
>>> customer.
>>
>> They've probably lost me as well. All this time waiting for the price
>> to go down has me not being so interested any more. By the time it
>> gets to sticker I may have none left for the car.
>
> I am definitely interested in what GM and DC are bringing to the
> table.
> Hell, I just might throw more money at my '89 LX and make it my
> speed
> fix and forget about a new Mustang all together.

I'm seriously considering this as well. My Dakota replacement may end
up being a restomod Mustang. I'm still thinking about that crate motor
we were discussing a while ago...

>>> They just don't get it and, frankly, I really don't care if they go
>>> bankrupt. It is looking more and more like they lied to us about
>>> the production numbers of the GT500.
>>
>> The momement they said they were going distribute the cars by dealer
>> allotment I knew this was going happen and caught a lot flak in here
>> for it. Ford has no desire to bring any car to market that's worth
>> buying without controlling production to the point that the price
>> doesn't go through the roof at the dealership.
>
> I don't want to drag up the whole allocation debate. The bottom line
> is that Ford hasn't produced enough GT500 to meet the demand or what
> they state a year ago. IMO, the introduction of this "new" KR variant
> shows me they are going to keep the price gouging going for the full
> run of these Cobras. If they produced enough the price would drop no
> matter how they are allocated.

I'll bet this is only the beginning. Watch for other variations on a
theme, all at higher prices with limited availability.

>>> The only reason they are coming out
>>> with this car is to keep the prices of Cobras in the stratosphere
>>> and out of reach for most Mustang enthusiasts. Screw them. When is
>>> the Camaro due to hit the showroom floor? Maybe they want my money
>>> and not an arm and a leg too.
>>
>> I am waiting for Ford to pull the plug on the GT500. At some point
>> before dealer prices hit sticker IMO they are going to say they
>> 'can't afford to build the low production model anymore' or they are
>> going to say there haven't been enough sales, or some lame ass excuse
>> and cancel it. The fact they moved the SVT chief elsewhere has me
>> thinking they are heading that way.
>
> I see it as a real possibility too.

I don't see SVT as a factor anymore. They've been reduced to a fraction
of what they used to be.

>> The local chevy dealer always has a good number of corvettes in
>> stock. Never saw a GT500 at the local Ford dealer.
>
> The biggest issue I have with the Corvette is it being a two seater.
> Even though the Mustang's rear seats are small they can be used by two
> adults for a brief period of time or haul two kids with ease. It is
> also a more practical car to take a trip in. I really am anxious to
> see what GM will do with the new Camaro.

Indeed. And the Challenger as well.

Joe wrote:
> Michael Johnson > wrote in
> :
>
>> Joe wrote:
>>> Michael Johnson > wrote in
>>> :
>>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> http://www.detnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll...=2007703300380
>>>> Maybe Ford should think about providing GT500s in a decent quantity
>>>> to keep the prices reasonable instead of offering another high
>>>> priced Mustang variant. This is why Ford is loosing me as a loyal
>>>> customer. They just don't get it and, frankly, I really don't care
>>>> if they go bankrupt. It is looking more and more like they lied to
>>>> us about the production numbers of the GT500.
>>> I hate to say "I told you so", but...
>> Ahhhh.... go ahead. You deserve it!
>
> "I told you so!"
>
>>>> The only reason they are coming out
>>>> with this car is to keep the prices of Cobras in the stratosphere
>>>> and out of reach for most Mustang enthusiasts.
>>> Exactly. More "limited production" stuff. Just what we need. NOT!
>> This is just a blatant move to keep prices up. I didn't mind them
>> getting ridiculous money for the first run of GT500s but this shows
>> that they planned to gouge the first buyers and then manipulate the
>> product line to keep it going. Like I said, screw them. I give Ford
>> a 50/50 chance, at best, of surviving another 5-10 years without being
>> some other car brands bitch (i.e. controlled by another entity). If
>> that happens I won't shed one tear for them. Considering the greed of
>> the UAW and the stupidity of Ford's management they deserve whatever
>> they get.
>
> I'm right with you.
>
>>>> Screw them. When is the
>>>> Camaro due to hit the showroom floor? Maybe they want my money and
>>> not
>>>> an arm and a leg too.
>>> Indeed. The next few years should prove very interesting. Lots of
>>> stuff happening - Chrysler's impending sale, Ford/GM's impending
>>> doom, Toyota about to mop up the domestic truck market, and vehicles
>>> like the Camaro and Challenger about to make an appearance.
>> I'm definitely going to look at all options when it comes time to buy.
>> Right now I have zero loyalty left for Ford's vehicles. We have
>> bought nothing but Fords for the last 15+ years with the exception of
>> one Nissan (240SX convertible). The Nissan was just an impulse buy
>> from a guy in the neighborhood.
>
> Given today's economy, I have to consider every brand. Brand loyalty is
> simply being shortsighted IMO.
>
>> My wife wants a new SUV around the first of the year and we are about
>> 90% sure it will be a Toyota. They make good vehicles that have great
>> resale value and I personally know a guy that owns two Toyota
>> dealerships so getting a good price and excellent service will be a
>> given. When I turn to the Dark Side you know Ford is in deep ****.
>
> I hear you, Michael. I'm in the same boat, in that I'm seriously
> considering another truck, and the Ram was my number one choice until I
> looked at the Tundra in depth. At the car show last week, I sat in all
> four trucks (F150, Silverado, Ram, Tundra), and priced them with top-of-
> the-line engines. The clear theoretical winner was the Toyota followed
> up by the Ram. I didn't like the Ford's interior, and the Chevy was
> priced out of this world.

Toyota is finally getting serious with their full sized truck. All it
will take is for Ford to screw up one time and they will be there
waiting like vultures to pick up buyers. Even if Ford doesn't screw up
they will erode their market share year after year like they are doing
with the car market and once they get it they won't give it up.

Toyota has figured out what sells full sized trucks and they are zeroing
in on that market segment like a laser. Plus, their trucks are actually
getting much better with every new model introduction. IMO, Toyota's
long term marketing strategy will probably win the day in the end. They
are long distance runners, not sprinters and short term profit whores
like Ford appears to be.

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> I thought it was interesting C&D rated the new Silverado #1 and the
> new Toyota pickup #2. When was the last time you saw a GM product
> beat a brand new Toyota?

Patrick, check this out:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do...ticleId=119281

Forgot to include it in the last post...

<snip>
> Patrick
>