JD Powers Survey

Thanks for your inadequate insight, moron.
"Bill 2" > wrote in message
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> "S.S." > wrote in message
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> > German cars are actually no more reliable than the others. Volkwagens
are
> > just plain junk, and apparently, Mercedes-Benz' quality has suffered
since
> > the DaimlerChrysler merger.
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> No, MB has been junk for quite a while, no merger needed. German cars are
> not only junk, but ridiculously expensive to repair.
>
> What gets me is VW puts out ****, yet has a retardedly high resale value.
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>

S.S. wrote:
> razz wrote:
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>>My buddy is a mechanic at a Toyota dealership, they're not as reliable as
>>people think they are. They have just as many problems as other
>>manufacturers.
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> No car is going to be 100% problem free, but Toyotas and Hondas typically
> experience less non-routine problems than North American brands, especially
> if regular maintenance is kept up. But even with regular maintenance, North
> American brand cars tend to experience more non-routine problems, especially
> when they are at least 5 years old and/or the mileage gets up there. And
> this JD Power survey focused on (I think) 3-year old cars.
>
> My '93 Accord has 223,000km (138,000 miles) and has been extremely reliable.
> My father and brother both have Corollas ('04 and '05) with about 30,000km
> (19,000 miles) each so far, and as expected, both have been reliable so far.
> But we have taken good care of our cars and kept up the regular maintenance.
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>
>
>>I don't subscribe to that mentality that most people believe
>>jap scrap is more reliable than other cars.
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>
> Not all Japanese brands are reliable (especially Mazda, for example). But
> Toyota and Honda are typically more reliable than most others.
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>>My wife's 97 ford contour has
>>had not one lick of problem up until this weekend, I changed the water pump
>>at 90,000k's. We have had it since 98.
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>
> You've been lucky. I know a lot of Contour/Mystique owners who had lots of
> problems with them, including a few that had fires from under the hood.
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>>I just worked on a supra not more
>>than two months ago which needed a new cam, worn lobes, warped head, so
>>don't tell me that they're more reliable.
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>
> Since it's a Supra, perhaps it was not well taken care of. The only common
> problem I am aware of (depending on the year) is the head gasket.
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>>Same goes for our Honda accord,
>>replaced the cam at 130,000k's, again worn lobes. I quess they use cheap
>>metal.
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>
> Since you appear to be in Canada (like me), I assume you are talking
> kilometers here? Anyway, that is rare for an Accord. But again, is it
> possible that it hasn't been well taken care of?
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>
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>>I'm currrently trying a Hyundai sonota, and will never buy one of
>>those again, nice looking car, but never again. All of these cars were a one
>>owner brand new off the lot vehicles. I'm currently looking for a new car,
>>and may go back to a European car, particular a German made car.
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>
> German cars are actually no more reliable than the others. Volkwagens are
> just plain junk, and apparently, Mercedes-Benz' quality has suffered since
> the DaimlerChrysler merger.
hehhe yes mazdas are now ****e ... can you blame them they are owned by ford

Bill 2 wrote:
> "Rob" > wrote in message
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>>Huw wrote:
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>>>>The just goes to show how closely cars are rated today for build
>>>>quality by their owners. The best has a rate 1.39 defects per
>>>>car and the worst 3.97 and the average of only 2.37. If one
>>>>subscribes to J D Powers service they would see the failures are
>>>>mostly minor in nature, such as squeaks and rattles
>>>>
>>>>Looks much different when presented as a list than if shown, as
>>>>it should be, as a percentage of failures. The best as just over
>>>>98% trouble free, the average just under 98% trouble free, and
>>>>the worst as just under 97% trouble free. That is what we see
>>>>in our business, as well.
>>>>
>>>>All manufactures are building good vehicles today that will
>>>>easily run to 200K, trouble free, if given the proper preventive
>>>>maintenance. The only real difference among them is style and
>>>>price. Your chance of getting a good one are basically 8 out of
>>>>9. The change of getting one not up to snuff is minor 1% to 2%
>>>>since they all have a failure rate of at least 1%, that is why
>>>>they all offer a warranty.
>>>>
>>>>Why some will spend 20% or 30% more to buy a comparable vehicle,
>>>>of a certain brand over another, just in the hope that the ONE
>>>>they get is not one of the 1% to 2%, always seemed like extremely
>>>>poor gambling odds to me
>>>>
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>>>
>>>That's the way I see it too. I did not consider it much of a gamble to
>>>buy a new Range Rover and I have been rewarded by the most reliable
>>>vehicle over the first eight months that I have ever owned. In fact it is
>>>way ahead of my Toyota Land Cruiser over the same period which had a
>>>[difficult to sort] wheel alignment problem and needed a new fog lamp and
>>>drivers seatbelt in the same timeframe.
>>>
>>>Huw
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>>200k are u nuts .... motors have such short pistons in them here in the
>>cold ares like canada the motor suffer from piston slap (slight knocking
>>noise untill motor warms up) as soon as 60000 miles....
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>
> We also use block heaters up here in Canada on cold nights. I frequently
> hear 10+ year old Plymouth Acclaims with 300 000km+ tapping away from piston
> slap (when warm) no problem. Piston slap is usually more of an annoyance
> than anything major.
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>>my dads 200 intrepid with 2.7 mits engine broke a timing chain guide !
>>110000 kilometers thank god the chain stayed on or it would have been more
>>than the 600 dollars of parts that i installed..... just worked on a 1991
>>buick today frame is about to fall apart from rust just in front of the
>>rear trailing arms to the rear suspension.
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>
> 14 year old car.
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>
>>dont tell me they build cars better.... just imagine how long a mid 70's
>>motor would have lasted if they all had the advantages of modern fuel
>>infection.
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> And how the body wouldn't.
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>
right .. my 1978 cordoba parked in the field wasnt parked because of
body rot .... to much money for gas tho lol

"Rob" > wrote in message
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> S.S. wrote:
>> razz wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My buddy is a mechanic at a Toyota dealership, they're not as reliable as
>>>people think they are. They have just as many problems as other
>>>manufacturers.
>>
>>
>> No car is going to be 100% problem free, but Toyotas and Hondas typically
>> experience less non-routine problems than North American brands,
>> especially
>> if regular maintenance is kept up. But even with regular maintenance,
>> North
>> American brand cars tend to experience more non-routine problems,
>> especially
>> when they are at least 5 years old and/or the mileage gets up there. And
>> this JD Power survey focused on (I think) 3-year old cars.
>>
>> My '93 Accord has 223,000km (138,000 miles) and has been extremely
>> reliable.
>> My father and brother both have Corollas ('04 and '05) with about
>> 30,000km
>> (19,000 miles) each so far, and as expected, both have been reliable so
>> far.
>> But we have taken good care of our cars and kept up the regular
>> maintenance.
>>
>>
>>
>>>I don't subscribe to that mentality that most people believe
>>>jap scrap is more reliable than other cars.
>>
>>
>> Not all Japanese brands are reliable (especially Mazda, for example).
>> But
>> Toyota and Honda are typically more reliable than most others.
>>

I even hate getting involved in this, but... the fact is that most of my
family (and friends) drives old cars, old American cars. And guess what,
they run, and well. My daily is a 1980 Bronco with so many miles I've lost
track. It's absolutely unstoppable. But at 10mpg, fuuuuck. My dad has a
1985 Lincoln he drives everyday since new. That is the toughest, friggin car
I've ever seen! It may rust, it may squeek, but at -30C, it starts. Always.
The ex-wife has a 1990 Mustang. Talk about the Energizer Bunny of cars. Has
anyone ever seen a 2.3 die?

I don't see many mid 80s Hondas on the road anymore. Where, did they go?
Old American cars are everywhere. On the flip-side, all of ours are Fords.
You can't say the same about Chev and Dodge.

B

Bill 2 wrote:
> "S.S." > wrote in message
> ...
>
>
>
>>German cars are actually no more reliable than the others. Volkwagens are
>>just plain junk, and apparently, Mercedes-Benz' quality has suffered since
>>the DaimlerChrysler merger.
>
>
> No, MB has been junk for quite a while, no merger needed. German cars are
> not only junk, but ridiculously expensive to repair.
>
> What gets me is VW puts out ****, yet has a retardedly high resale value.
>
>

Hey Bill,
Not sure about newer VW, no experience. I've heard lots of complaints about MB, pre
and post merger. One German vehicle that truly impresses me, though, is BMW. Granted,
they are expensive in the US and Canada due to the Yuppie factor, but in Germany they
are like Chevrolets (The impression I get from my German sister-in-law). The
mechanical systems in BMW's, both 2 and 4 wheeled, seem to last nearly forever. I'm a
die hard US vehicle(Ford) driver, but I have to give credit where credit is due.
Granted, my personal experience with BMW is limited, but I've seen many with trouble
free miles well into 6 digits. I also don't recall ever hearing a BMW owner complain
about their car. BMW motorcycle owners seem to have nothing but praise for them. I've
personally seen one go 12x,000 miles without any engine work whatsoever. Take that
Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, and of course Harley Davidson.
One Japanese car that really made an impression on me was Subaru.(1995 AWD Legacy)
During a blizzard on the New York Thruway headed to Toronto from Cleveland, that car
felt glued to the road (deep snow). When you pressed the pedal, it went. When you
pressed the brake, it stopped. No wheel spin or brake lockup at all. I've never felt
safer in severe winter conditions. I don't know about their reliability, but that
experience would count if I ever considered an import.
I like my Taurus and my Mark VII but I won't defend their weaknesses by tearing down
other makes that I choose not to own. To each his own.

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 06:43:16 -0400, Tom Adkins >
wrote:

>Bill 2 wrote:
>> "S.S." > wrote in message
>> ...
>>
>>
>>
>>>German cars are actually no more reliable than the others. Volkwagens are
>>>just plain junk, and apparently, Mercedes-Benz' quality has suffered since
>>>the DaimlerChrysler merger.
>>
>>
>> No, MB has been junk for quite a while, no merger needed. German cars are
>> not only junk, but ridiculously expensive to repair.
>>
>> What gets me is VW puts out ****, yet has a retardedly high resale value.
>>
>>
>
> Hey Bill,
> Not sure about newer VW, no experience. I've heard lots of complaints about MB, pre
>and post merger. One German vehicle that truly impresses me, though, is BMW. Granted,
>they are expensive in the US and Canada due to the Yuppie factor, but in Germany they
>are like Chevrolets (The impression I get from my German sister-in-law). The
>mechanical systems in BMW's, both 2 and 4 wheeled, seem to last nearly forever. I'm a
>die hard US vehicle(Ford) driver, but I have to give credit where credit is due.
>Granted, my personal experience with BMW is limited, but I've seen many with trouble
>free miles well into 6 digits. I also don't recall ever hearing a BMW owner complain
>about their car. BMW motorcycle owners seem to have nothing but praise for them. I've
>personally seen one go 12x,000 miles without any engine work whatsoever. Take that
>Honda, Yamaha, Kawasaki, and of course Harley Davidson.
> One Japanese car that really made an impression on me was Subaru.(1995 AWD Legacy)
>During a blizzard on the New York Thruway headed to Toronto from Cleveland, that car
>felt glued to the road (deep snow). When you pressed the pedal, it went. When you
>pressed the brake, it stopped. No wheel spin or brake lockup at all. I've never felt
>safer in severe winter conditions. I don't know about their reliability, but that
>experience would count if I ever considered an import.
> I like my Taurus and my Mark VII but I won't defend their weaknesses by tearing down
>other makes that I choose not to own. To each his own.
Depends on the model, and within BMW, you expect more (features/gizmos, ride
comfort, and reliability) the higher in the series you go. The 3 series is
considered by most other Bimmer owners as the "entry level" model, then folks
work their way up with the packed dash 5 series, then gain some of the space
back when they finally graduate to a 7 series. Sort of like going from the
Cavalier to the Cadillac in GM terms. I knew a guy with a loaded 535 (I think
it was a 2002 or 2003, that would spend his break and lunch time sitting in
his, just start it up, run the A/C, and listen to tunes {or watch TV, I dunno,
all I know is that you'd never find him in the lunchroom}). Gotta love the
car to do that.

I attend old car show all over the country and I seldom see any
old Japanese cars at show with the exception of an RX7 or a "Z"
on occasion. Where are those old Japanese cars from twenty years
ago
if there are so durable?


mike hunt



BradandBrooks wrote:
>
>
> The ex-wife has a 1990 Mustang. Talk about the Energizer Bunny of cars. Has
> anyone ever seen a 2.3 die?
>
> I don't see many mid 80s Hondas on the road anymore. Where, did they go?
> Old American cars are everywhere. On the flip-side, all of ours are Fords.
> You can't say the same about Chev and Dodge.
>
> B
>

> wrote in message
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>I attend old car show all over the country and I seldom see any
> old Japanese cars at show with the exception of an RX7 or a "Z"
> on occasion. Where are those old Japanese cars from twenty years
> ago
> if there are so durable?
>
>
> mike hunt


Exactly. Who cares to answer this? Maybe they're hiding somewhere?

Brad

>
>
> BradandBrooks wrote:
>>
>>
>> The ex-wife has a 1990 Mustang. Talk about the Energizer Bunny of cars.
>> Has
>> anyone ever seen a 2.3 die?
>>
>> I don't see many mid 80s Hondas on the road anymore. Where, did they go?
>> Old American cars are everywhere. On the flip-side, all of ours are
>> Fords.
>> You can't say the same about Chev and Dodge.
>>
>> B
>>

On Thu, 07 Jul 2005 11:34:34 -0400, wrote:

>I attend old car show all over the country and I seldom see any
>old Japanese cars at show with the exception of an RX7 or a "Z"
>on occasion. Where are those old Japanese cars from twenty years
>ago
>if there are so durable?
>
>

I was browsing the junkyard yesterday and they had quite a few Z's in
there, also a 66 Chevy and a 60 Corvair.

>mike hunt
>
>
>
>BradandBrooks wrote:
>>
>>
>> The ex-wife has a 1990 Mustang. Talk about the Energizer Bunny of cars. Has
>> anyone ever seen a 2.3 die?
>>
>> I don't see many mid 80s Hondas on the road anymore. Where, did they go?
>> Old American cars are everywhere. On the flip-side, all of ours are Fords.
>> You can't say the same about Chev and Dodge.
>>
>> B
>>