CIS and low compression...

Hey all,

Just a brief update. Got a battery charger with a good boost for cranking
and was able to start it by the starter! Then tracked down the no frequency
valve buzz to a bad relay. It's amazing how much rust /muck you can dump
out of a relay, clean it up, and have it working fine again! That gave me
the old frequency valve buzz it needed. Then vantage meter on the cold
start valve showed that to be working. Fired her up again, and it was
pretty rough from being way to rich... had to back off the idle mixture
screw a LONG WAY and then open the idle screw up and she purrs like a
kitten and responds to throttle snap beautifully. I had set the mixture
screw up higher at an earlier time, but not by THAT much. Next is to
investigate O2 sensor (probably just pop a new one in unless it looks pretty
new) and check out the dwell on that frequency valve. But first I got to
replace the radiator... didn't dare run it any longer without coolant...
don't particularily want to end up replacing the waterpump as it has no rad
in it now. Radiator is supposed to be in today. Looking like it will be a
driver soon!!!!!!!!

In2hoppn (silly rabbit, diesels is for trucks)

"dave AKA vwdoc1" > wrote in message
...
> I was going to say that you need to start with the basics.
> Make sure the timing belt is correct. I have seen sooo many that were
many
> notches off including my 1.8t engine when I bought it. Oh and it had good
> compression (150 psi) even for a low compression engine that was 4 notches
> off.
> Yes the engine could run but might not run at full power or might be hard
to
> start.
> Your compression, especially with Hyd Lifters, might be low until the
> lifters pump up and the engine is warm.
>
> THEN check the spark timing.
>
> CIS usually needs that cold start valve to spray a little fuel inside the
> intake manifold to make starting easier.
>
> Glad you got it started! ;-)
> Check out the main battery cable going to the starter and the main
negative
> cable to the engine.
> I suggest taking them off and cleaning all surfaces.
>
> JMHO
> --
> later,
> (One out of many daves)
>
>
> "In2hoppn" > wrote in message
> news:B4qdnb27NM8WvXvXnZ2dnUVZ_tWdnZ2d@metrocastcab levision.com...
> >I think hydrolic lifters play a role...
> > I did finally get it running. Had to pull it up the street. Runs good,
> > too. But still won't start by starter. It's just not cranking fast
> > enough.
> > The starter is just plain cooked and drawing way too much current. It's
> > cranking like about 1/2 speed... although my 83 will start at that speed
> > if
> > battery is half dead (like after sitting all winter). So apparently
it's
> > a
> > combination of slow starter and hard starting from the typical fuel
ratio
> > not ideal yet cis syndrome : ) I'm betting compression has come up
after
> > running it and building some oil pressure, but never did check it again.
> > It had a coolant leak as well, so for all I know it's been cooked a
bit...
> > maybe valve springs are weak now? I don't know, but it didn't want to
> > idle
> > and I didn't dare let it run too long with the coolant leaking (hose off
> > end
> > of head) so I didn't do anymore tinkering. But I did drive it around
the
> > yard and out back and it runs smooth and strong... and I at least know
now
> > that the clutch is good, as well as 1st, 2nd, and reverse gears... yard
> > too
> > small for 3rd, 4th, and 5th : )
> >
> >
> > "SFC" > wrote in message
> > ...
> >>
> >> If you realy measured "only" 55psi then it must be leaking through the
> >> valves. Normal value is between 140...180psi! Acc to vw it is due for
> >> overhaul when it is dropped to about 105psi! You'll never get it
started
> >> with almost no compression....
> >>
> >> First check what the cause is for that low cyl. pressure! If the oil
> >> trick
> >> didn't make a difference then it must be bad valves or a very bad head
> >> gasket (unlikely)
> >>
> >> SFC
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

I can see the smile from here! lol

congrats and keep us updated!

"In2hoppn" > wrote in message
news:Wvadncci6snsa3PXnZ2dnUVZ_h8AAAAA@metrocastcab levision.com...
> Hey all,
>
> Just a brief update. Got a battery charger with a good boost for cranking
> and was able to start it by the starter! Then tracked down the no
> frequency
> valve buzz to a bad relay. It's amazing how much rust /muck you can dump
> out of a relay, clean it up, and have it working fine again! That gave me
> the old frequency valve buzz it needed. Then vantage meter on the cold
> start valve showed that to be working. Fired her up again, and it was
> pretty rough from being way to rich... had to back off the idle mixture
> screw a LONG WAY and then open the idle screw up and she purrs like a
> kitten and responds to throttle snap beautifully. I had set the mixture
> screw up higher at an earlier time, but not by THAT much. Next is to
> investigate O2 sensor (probably just pop a new one in unless it looks
> pretty
> new) and check out the dwell on that frequency valve. But first I got to
> replace the radiator... didn't dare run it any longer without coolant...
> don't particularily want to end up replacing the waterpump as it has no
> rad
> in it now. Radiator is supposed to be in today. Looking like it will be
> a
> driver soon!!!!!!!!
>
> In2hoppn (silly rabbit, diesels is for trucks)

On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:34:19 -0600, "dave AKA vwdoc1"
> wrote:

>I can see the smile from here! lol
>
>congrats and keep us updated!
>
>"In2hoppn" > wrote in message
>news:Wvadncci6snsa3PXnZ2dnUVZ_h8AAAAA@metrocastca blevision.com...
>> Hey all,
>>
>> Just a brief update. Got a battery charger with a good boost for cranking
>> and was able to start it by the starter! Then tracked down the no
>> frequency
>> valve buzz to a bad relay. It's amazing how much rust /muck you can dump
>> out of a relay, clean it up, and have it working fine again!

I don't know why VW's are prone to do this. I've lost count of the
number of relays I've opened, cleaned, burnished the contacts on, and
reassembled!


Keep us posted on how you are doing once on the road!

>That gave me
>> the old frequency valve buzz it needed. Then vantage meter on the cold
>> start valve showed that to be working. Fired her up again, and it was
>> pretty rough from being way to rich... had to back off the idle mixture
>> screw a LONG WAY and then open the idle screw up and she purrs like a
>> kitten and responds to throttle snap beautifully. I had set the mixture
>> screw up higher at an earlier time, but not by THAT much. Next is to
>> investigate O2 sensor (probably just pop a new one in unless it looks
>> pretty
>> new) and check out the dwell on that frequency valve. But first I got to
>> replace the radiator... didn't dare run it any longer without coolant...
>> don't particularily want to end up replacing the waterpump as it has no
>> rad
>> in it now. Radiator is supposed to be in today. Looking like it will be
>> a
>> driver soon!!!!!!!!
>>
>> In2hoppn (silly rabbit, diesels is for trucks)
>
>

Back again! I finally had to get rid of my old computer with windowsME that
I been running since year 2000. So getting this new one up and running plus
retrieving all my old data before clunking out the old one... left me with
no news group access until now.
"I will never buy another VW"
"I will never work on another VW"
"I hate fricken VW"
....wonder how many time I said that today... along with the colorful
language I can't seem to give up...
.... but I'm finally smiling again!
Man, talk about getting wound up aggravated to the limit! Got some
injector seal in her and replaced a cracked coolant flange. Well it started
OK to drive in from out back and do that, but then it wouldn't start again!
So I pull the plugs and clean and dry them, then it starts but doesn't want
to idle. Then won't start again. Well finally get it running and idling
again, and trying to get the ignition timing set and set the idle mixture
and of course the idle speed, and how all these things can affect one
another... and just when I finally think I've got it about right and the
dwell meter is looking good but doesn't like the O2 sensor very much so I
leave it unhooked... it starts idling way down again... THEN... coolant
starts pumping out from under the cap and making a mess all over the place
because the radiator fan ain't working! So, I get's that mess all cleaned
up and then, of course, it won't fricken start again!
Soooooo, I go to my favorite parts place for a starter (25 minute drive to
get there) to discover they don't really have one there. But the store up
the highway (another 1/2 hour or so away) "has one for sure". Get there,
open the box... starter doesn't even look close... never even seen a starter
quite like it on anything. So the guy insists it's the right one (LOL)...
then suggests it's a "late model" in that year and looks at a year newer
(I'm still laughin out loud, but it ain't funny) and tell him this isn't
even a vw starter. Then I look at the number on the box (that he keeps
saying is right) and see the number on the starter is different... wrong
starter in the box. So off I go for another 1/2 hour drive to another
store. Finally... the right starter... and after enough driving... get it
home and installed... tripple square bolt heads that have been abused before
(yup, was really luvin VW again) but.............. TA DA! It's spins a lot
faster and for a lot longer! And it starts! Even without battery charger
w/boost! Yeee Haaa!
NOW... anybody got a good wiring diagram for the radiator fan in this rig?
It's 1987 Cabriolet, and it has 2 wire fan, AND 2 wire connector on the
radiator temp sensor. I had to swap the fan motor out when I changed the
radiator. Wires had been spliced previously. Currently, both leads to
radiator fan show continuity to ground so somethings wired wrong. Mitchell
is useless for this car and my Bentley and Haynes only go to 1984. Looking
at a variety of years in Mitchell shows double relays for a couple different
multi-speed fan setups... both showing 3 prong temp sensor in radiator (mine
has only 2). Another schematic shows circuit from fuse 1 to radiator temp
sensor to fan to ground... no relay involved. I know the earlier ones had a
relay for fan that was switched by the radiator sensor and would think this
has a relay like that???????
Thanks if anyone can find a schematic that makes sense for this one! Maybe
a relay panel diagram, too??
Electricals is such a pain without accurate info!
OK, now to see if my computer is really going to post this message...


"PeterD" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 2 Nov 2009 21:34:19 -0600, "dave AKA vwdoc1"
> > wrote:
>
>>I can see the smile from here! lol
>>
>>congrats and keep us updated!
>>
>>"In2hoppn" > wrote in message
>>news:Wvadncci6snsa3PXnZ2dnUVZ_h8AAAAA@metrocastc ablevision.com...
>>> Hey all,
>>>
>>> Just a brief update. Got a battery charger with a good boost for
>>> cranking
>>> and was able to start it by the starter! Then tracked down the no
>>> frequency
>>> valve buzz to a bad relay. It's amazing how much rust /muck you can
>>> dump
>>> out of a relay, clean it up, and have it working fine again!
>
> I don't know why VW's are prone to do this. I've lost count of the
> number of relays I've opened, cleaned, burnished the contacts on, and
> reassembled!
>
>
> Keep us posted on how you are doing once on the road!
>
>>That gave me
>>> the old frequency valve buzz it needed. Then vantage meter on the cold
>>> start valve showed that to be working. Fired her up again, and it was
>>> pretty rough from being way to rich... had to back off the idle mixture
>>> screw a LONG WAY and then open the idle screw up and she purrs like a
>>> kitten and responds to throttle snap beautifully. I had set the mixture
>>> screw up higher at an earlier time, but not by THAT much. Next is to
>>> investigate O2 sensor (probably just pop a new one in unless it looks
>>> pretty
>>> new) and check out the dwell on that frequency valve. But first I got
>>> to
>>> replace the radiator... didn't dare run it any longer without coolant...
>>> don't particularily want to end up replacing the waterpump as it has no
>>> rad
>>> in it now. Radiator is supposed to be in today. Looking like it will
>>> be
>>> a
>>> driver soon!!!!!!!!
>>>
>>> In2hoppn (silly rabbit, diesels is for trucks)
>>
>>

Life may have it challenges but it is usually still worth living! <g>
Well you have success with your posts! <g>
Now are you running Windows 7 or Vista or XP?

Does your Cabriolet have a/c?
I have seen the wiring changed so that the radiator fan gets it power almost
directly from the battery (fused) instead of through a relay. Too many
wiring diagrams to even try to remember how yours could be.
You may have to follow those wires from the radiator fan switch to find out
where they go!
I usually find wires corroded right around the battery which might affect
the fan's operation.

I find a lot of problems are usually caused by those that work on a VW
before. :-(
You might find some repair information, in English, here
http://www.volkswagen.msk.ru/

later,
One out of many daves

"In2hoppn" > wrote in message
news:dP-dnRHs8qdK42bXnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision .com...
> Back again! I finally had to get rid of my old computer with windowsME
> that I been running since year 2000. So getting this new one up and
> running plus retrieving all my old data before clunking out the old one...
> left me with no news group access until now.
> "I will never buy another VW"
> "I will never work on another VW"
> "I hate fricken VW"
> ...wonder how many time I said that today... along with the colorful
> language I can't seem to give up...
> ... but I'm finally smiling again!
> Man, talk about getting wound up aggravated to the limit! Got some
> injector seal in her and replaced a cracked coolant flange. Well it
> started OK to drive in from out back and do that, but then it wouldn't
> start again! So I pull the plugs and clean and dry them, then it starts
> but doesn't want to idle. Then won't start again. Well finally get it
> running and idling again, and trying to get the ignition timing set and
> set the idle mixture and of course the idle speed, and how all these
> things can affect one another... and just when I finally think I've got it
> about right and the dwell meter is looking good but doesn't like the O2
> sensor very much so I leave it unhooked... it starts idling way down
> again... THEN... coolant starts pumping out from under the cap and making
> a mess all over the place because the radiator fan ain't working! So, I
> get's that mess all cleaned up and then, of course, it won't fricken start
> again!
> Soooooo, I go to my favorite parts place for a starter (25 minute drive to
> get there) to discover they don't really have one there. But the store up
> the highway (another 1/2 hour or so away) "has one for sure". Get there,
> open the box... starter doesn't even look close... never even seen a
> starter quite like it on anything. So the guy insists it's the right one
> (LOL)... then suggests it's a "late model" in that year and looks at a
> year newer (I'm still laughin out loud, but it ain't funny) and tell him
> this isn't even a vw starter. Then I look at the number on the box (that
> he keeps saying is right) and see the number on the starter is
> different... wrong starter in the box. So off I go for another 1/2 hour
> drive to another store. Finally... the right starter... and after enough
> driving... get it home and installed... tripple square bolt heads that
> have been abused before (yup, was really luvin VW again) but..............
> TA DA! It's spins a lot faster and for a lot longer! And it starts!
> Even without battery charger w/boost! Yeee Haaa!
> NOW... anybody got a good wiring diagram for the radiator fan in this rig?
> It's 1987 Cabriolet, and it has 2 wire fan, AND 2 wire connector on the
> radiator temp sensor. I had to swap the fan motor out when I changed the
> radiator. Wires had been spliced previously. Currently, both leads to
> radiator fan show continuity to ground so somethings wired wrong.
> Mitchell is useless for this car and my Bentley and Haynes only go to
> 1984. Looking at a variety of years in Mitchell shows double relays for a
> couple different multi-speed fan setups... both showing 3 prong temp
> sensor in radiator (mine has only 2). Another schematic shows circuit
> from fuse 1 to radiator temp sensor to fan to ground... no relay involved.
> I know the earlier ones had a relay for fan that was switched by the
> radiator sensor and would think this has a relay like that???????
> Thanks if anyone can find a schematic that makes sense for this one!
> Maybe a relay panel diagram, too??
> Electricals is such a pain without accurate info!
> OK, now to see if my computer is really going to post this message...
>

On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:19:49 -0500, "In2hoppn" >
wrote:

>Back again! I finally had to get rid of my old computer with windowsME that
>I been running since year 2000. So getting this new one up and running plus
>retrieving all my old data before clunking out the old one... left me with
>no news group access until now.
>"I will never buy another VW"
>"I will never work on another VW"
>"I hate fricken VW"
>...wonder how many time I said that today... along with the colorful
>language I can't seem to give up...
>... but I'm finally smiling again!
>Man, talk about getting wound up aggravated to the limit! Got some
>injector seal in her and replaced a cracked coolant flange. Well it started
>OK to drive in from out back and do that, but then it wouldn't start again!
>So I pull the plugs and clean and dry them, then it starts but doesn't want
>to idle. Then won't start again. Well finally get it running and idling
>again, and trying to get the ignition timing set and set the idle mixture
>and of course the idle speed, and how all these things can affect one
>another... and just when I finally think I've got it about right and the
>dwell meter is looking good but doesn't like the O2 sensor very much so I
>leave it unhooked... it starts idling way down again... THEN... coolant
>starts pumping out from under the cap and making a mess all over the place
>because the radiator fan ain't working! So, I get's that mess all cleaned
>up and then, of course, it won't fricken start again!
>Soooooo, I go to my favorite parts place for a starter (25 minute drive to
>get there) to discover they don't really have one there. But the store up
>the highway (another 1/2 hour or so away) "has one for sure". Get there,
>open the box... starter doesn't even look close... never even seen a starter
>quite like it on anything. So the guy insists it's the right one (LOL)...
>then suggests it's a "late model" in that year and looks at a year newer
>(I'm still laughin out loud, but it ain't funny) and tell him this isn't
>even a vw starter. Then I look at the number on the box (that he keeps
>saying is right) and see the number on the starter is different... wrong
>starter in the box. So off I go for another 1/2 hour drive to another
>store. Finally... the right starter... and after enough driving... get it
>home and installed... tripple square bolt heads that have been abused before
>(yup, was really luvin VW again) but.............. TA DA! It's spins a lot
>faster and for a lot longer! And it starts! Even without battery charger
>w/boost! Yeee Haaa!
>NOW... anybody got a good wiring diagram for the radiator fan in this rig?
>It's 1987 Cabriolet, and it has 2 wire fan, AND 2 wire connector on the
>radiator temp sensor. I had to swap the fan motor out when I changed the
>radiator. Wires had been spliced previously. Currently, both leads to
>radiator fan show continuity to ground so somethings wired wrong. Mitchell
>is useless for this car and my Bentley and Haynes only go to 1984. Looking
>at a variety of years in Mitchell shows double relays for a couple different
>multi-speed fan setups... both showing 3 prong temp sensor in radiator (mine
>has only 2). Another schematic shows circuit from fuse 1 to radiator temp
>sensor to fan to ground... no relay involved. I know the earlier ones had a
>relay for fan that was switched by the radiator sensor and would think this
>has a relay like that???????
>Thanks if anyone can find a schematic that makes sense for this one! Maybe
>a relay panel diagram, too??
>Electricals is such a pain without accurate info!
>OK, now to see if my computer is really going to post this message...
>
>

I have the Bentley for the '88 cab, which IIRC is the same. I'll see
if I can scan the fan electric page for you.

I'll need an email address to send it to you, so obfuscate yours and
post it. (Don't email to my address in the forum, it's a dummy).

If you can't do that we'll figure out another way to get it to you.

"PeterD" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 11 Nov 2009 22:19:49 -0500, "In2hoppn" >
> wrote:
>
>>Back again! I finally had to get rid of my old computer with windowsME
>>that
>>I been running since year 2000. So getting this new one up and running
>>plus
>>retrieving all my old data before clunking out the old one... left me with
>>no news group access until now.
>>"I will never buy another VW"
>>"I will never work on another VW"
>>"I hate fricken VW"
>>...wonder how many time I said that today... along with the colorful
>>language I can't seem to give up...
>>... but I'm finally smiling again!
>>Man, talk about getting wound up aggravated to the limit! Got some
>>injector seal in her and replaced a cracked coolant flange. Well it
>>started
>>OK to drive in from out back and do that, but then it wouldn't start
>>again!
>>So I pull the plugs and clean and dry them, then it starts but doesn't
>>want
>>to idle. Then won't start again. Well finally get it running and idling
>>again, and trying to get the ignition timing set and set the idle mixture
>>and of course the idle speed, and how all these things can affect one
>>another... and just when I finally think I've got it about right and the
>>dwell meter is looking good but doesn't like the O2 sensor very much so I
>>leave it unhooked... it starts idling way down again... THEN... coolant
>>starts pumping out from under the cap and making a mess all over the place
>>because the radiator fan ain't working! So, I get's that mess all cleaned
>>up and then, of course, it won't fricken start again!
>>Soooooo, I go to my favorite parts place for a starter (25 minute drive to
>>get there) to discover they don't really have one there. But the store up
>>the highway (another 1/2 hour or so away) "has one for sure". Get there,
>>open the box... starter doesn't even look close... never even seen a
>>starter
>>quite like it on anything. So the guy insists it's the right one (LOL)...
>>then suggests it's a "late model" in that year and looks at a year newer
>>(I'm still laughin out loud, but it ain't funny) and tell him this isn't
>>even a vw starter. Then I look at the number on the box (that he keeps
>>saying is right) and see the number on the starter is different... wrong
>>starter in the box. So off I go for another 1/2 hour drive to another
>>store. Finally... the right starter... and after enough driving... get it
>>home and installed... tripple square bolt heads that have been abused
>>before
>>(yup, was really luvin VW again) but.............. TA DA! It's spins a
>>lot
>>faster and for a lot longer! And it starts! Even without battery charger
>>w/boost! Yeee Haaa!
>>NOW... anybody got a good wiring diagram for the radiator fan in this rig?
>>It's 1987 Cabriolet, and it has 2 wire fan, AND 2 wire connector on the
>>radiator temp sensor. I had to swap the fan motor out when I changed the
>>radiator. Wires had been spliced previously. Currently, both leads to
>>radiator fan show continuity to ground so somethings wired wrong.
>>Mitchell
>>is useless for this car and my Bentley and Haynes only go to 1984.
>>Looking
>>at a variety of years in Mitchell shows double relays for a couple
>>different
>>multi-speed fan setups... both showing 3 prong temp sensor in radiator
>>(mine
>>has only 2). Another schematic shows circuit from fuse 1 to radiator temp
>>sensor to fan to ground... no relay involved. I know the earlier ones had
>>a
>>relay for fan that was switched by the radiator sensor and would think
>>this
>>has a relay like that???????
>>Thanks if anyone can find a schematic that makes sense for this one!
>>Maybe
>>a relay panel diagram, too??
>>Electricals is such a pain without accurate info!
>>OK, now to see if my computer is really going to post this message...
>>
>>
>
> I have the Bentley for the '88 cab, which IIRC is the same. I'll see
> if I can scan the fan electric page for you.
>
> I'll need an email address to send it to you, so obfuscate yours and
> post it. (Don't email to my address in the forum, it's a dummy).
>
> If you can't do that we'll figure out another way to get it to you.

But don't the scammers and spammers have de-obfuscate software now?
So to totally obfuscate beyond de-obfuscation... it's me as you see me
posted here and my provider is metrocast.
Wouldn't mind the whole electrical schematic if you can, relay location if
you got it... don't need any of the troubleshoot or r&r stuff!
Thanks!

OK, found interesting stuff with the rad fan... but before warming her up
for a test I decided to try to fix the clutch pedal which had slid off it's
pivot pin and was half-cocked against the steering column... and clutch was
engaging and disengaging this way. NOW, after fixing that, the clutch would
not disengage... grind gears, or lurch if try to start in gear. SOOOOOOOO,
I start adjusting the clutch cable... and adjust it some more, and some
more, and some more and finally it will shift into gear... and now, it will
not engage. WTF??? I bring the adjustment back almost to where I started
and still it's JUNK (as is this whole car, sure with I never bought it, may
just yank the starter and radiator and crush it). Can you really ruin a
clutch by possibly over lengthing the cable housing by about 6 to 8 full
turns so the the F thing will no longer engage? Maybe ended up pushing the
rod in just a little too far and now it's screwed? But it's not like the
clutch pedal stayed at the floor or suddenly went low. I did hit the
starter while in reverse and it did lurch with quite a thump. Maybe that
broke something?? This thing is JUNK I guess... I should have known
better... every little thing I've tried to do on this turd has been
insane... it will never be worth the cost of a clutch job...

"dave AKA vwdoc1" > wrote in message
...
> Life may have it challenges but it is usually still worth living! <g>
> Well you have success with your posts! <g>
> Now are you running Windows 7 or Vista or XP?
>
> Does your Cabriolet have a/c?
> I have seen the wiring changed so that the radiator fan gets it power
> almost directly from the battery (fused) instead of through a relay. Too
> many wiring diagrams to even try to remember how yours could be.
> You may have to follow those wires from the radiator fan switch to find
> out where they go!
> I usually find wires corroded right around the battery which might affect
> the fan's operation.
>
> I find a lot of problems are usually caused by those that work on a VW
> before. :-(
> You might find some repair information, in English, here
> http://www.volkswagen.msk.ru/
>
> later,
> One out of many daves
>
> "In2hoppn" > wrote in message
> news:dP-dnRHs8qdK42bXnZ2dnUVZ_hGdnZ2d@metrocastcablevision .com...
>> Back again! I finally had to get rid of my old computer with windowsME
>> that I been running since year 2000. So getting this new one up and
>> running plus retrieving all my old data before clunking out the old
>> one... left me with no news group access until now.
>> "I will never buy another VW"
>> "I will never work on another VW"
>> "I hate fricken VW"
>> ...wonder how many time I said that today... along with the colorful
>> language I can't seem to give up...
>> ... but I'm finally smiling again!
>> Man, talk about getting wound up aggravated to the limit! Got some
>> injector seal in her and replaced a cracked coolant flange. Well it
>> started OK to drive in from out back and do that, but then it wouldn't
>> start again! So I pull the plugs and clean and dry them, then it starts
>> but doesn't want to idle. Then won't start again. Well finally get it
>> running and idling again, and trying to get the ignition timing set and
>> set the idle mixture and of course the idle speed, and how all these
>> things can affect one another... and just when I finally think I've got
>> it about right and the dwell meter is looking good but doesn't like the
>> O2 sensor very much so I leave it unhooked... it starts idling way down
>> again... THEN... coolant starts pumping out from under the cap and making
>> a mess all over the place because the radiator fan ain't working! So, I
>> get's that mess all cleaned up and then, of course, it won't fricken
>> start again!
>> Soooooo, I go to my favorite parts place for a starter (25 minute drive
>> to get there) to discover they don't really have one there. But the
>> store up the highway (another 1/2 hour or so away) "has one for sure".
>> Get there, open the box... starter doesn't even look close... never even
>> seen a starter quite like it on anything. So the guy insists it's the
>> right one (LOL)... then suggests it's a "late model" in that year and
>> looks at a year newer (I'm still laughin out loud, but it ain't funny)
>> and tell him this isn't even a vw starter. Then I look at the number on
>> the box (that he keeps saying is right) and see the number on the starter
>> is different... wrong starter in the box. So off I go for another 1/2
>> hour drive to another store. Finally... the right starter... and after
>> enough driving... get it home and installed... tripple square bolt heads
>> that have been abused before (yup, was really luvin VW again)
>> but.............. TA DA! It's spins a lot faster and for a lot longer!
>> And it starts! Even without battery charger w/boost! Yeee Haaa!
>> NOW... anybody got a good wiring diagram for the radiator fan in this
>> rig? It's 1987 Cabriolet, and it has 2 wire fan, AND 2 wire connector on
>> the radiator temp sensor. I had to swap the fan motor out when I changed
>> the radiator. Wires had been spliced previously. Currently, both leads
>> to radiator fan show continuity to ground so somethings wired wrong.
>> Mitchell is useless for this car and my Bentley and Haynes only go to
>> 1984. Looking at a variety of years in Mitchell shows double relays for
>> a couple different multi-speed fan setups... both showing 3 prong temp
>> sensor in radiator (mine has only 2). Another schematic shows circuit
>> from fuse 1 to radiator temp sensor to fan to ground... no relay
>> involved. I know the earlier ones had a relay for fan that was switched
>> by the radiator sensor and would think this has a relay like that???????
>> Thanks if anyone can find a schematic that makes sense for this one!
>> Maybe a relay panel diagram, too??
>> Electricals is such a pain without accurate info!
>> OK, now to see if my computer is really going to post this message...
>>
>
>

Cancel the request for schematics...
I'm done with it!
I did get the cooling fan working properly! The short to ground was someone
hack job of wiring a lighted switch at the dashboard (a wire I earlier
thought was for the cd player). It was connected to an enclosed male spade
plug that is apparently there for the A/C option? Removed that and traced
it out to all being ready to go if the temp sensor actually closes when hot.
Did finally run her up to temp and it's working great. Unfortunately, in
between time I fixed the clutch pedal but then apparently wiped out the
clutch when I hit the starter while in reverse. Now she don't move at all
in any gear. Idling with clutch out I can shift into 3,4, and 5. I need to
pust the clutch in to get 1st or reverse, so it's still doing something
barely enough to turn the shaft. Clutch job is beyond what I can do here so
it's all been a waste. What sucks is the total money I spent could have put
new tires and struts in my Camry. No more dubbin for me. A lesson I
thought I learned in the past and hope it sticks this time : ).

ahhhh don't throw in the towel, just put it off for a little while if you
are frustrated.
you have come sooooo far too. ;-)

clutch is doable!
Now are you sure you did not lengthen the cable too far? gotta have some
free play/slack!
heck if starting in reverse just 1 time caused the clutch to go out, then it
was going out very soon.

bottom line is.............do you want to drive this car?

"In2hoppn" > wrote in message
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>
> Cancel the request for schematics...
> I'm done with it!
> I did get the cooling fan working properly! The short to ground was
> someone hack job of wiring a lighted switch at the dashboard (a wire I
> earlier thought was for the cd player). It was connected to an enclosed
> male spade plug that is apparently there for the A/C option? Removed that
> and traced it out to all being ready to go if the temp sensor actually
> closes when hot. Did finally run her up to temp and it's working great.
> Unfortunately, in between time I fixed the clutch pedal but then
> apparently wiped out the clutch when I hit the starter while in reverse.
> Now she don't move at all in any gear. Idling with clutch out I can shift
> into 3,4, and 5. I need to pust the clutch in to get 1st or reverse, so
> it's still doing something barely enough to turn the shaft. Clutch job is
> beyond what I can do here so it's all been a waste. What sucks is the
> total money I spent could have put new tires and struts in my Camry. No
> more dubbin for me. A lesson I thought I learned in the past and hope it
> sticks this time : ).