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Golf 1.8 Mk III SE (same as GL.. ADZ engine) not starting.. help!!



 
 
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  #11  
Old September 5th 11, 11:40 AM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled
Gizzard
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Default Golf 1.8 Mk III SE (same as GL.. ADZ engine) not starting.. help!!

On Sep 4, 3:54*pm, PeterD > wrote:

> > What is the best way to determine if the engine is fried on the cheap?

>
> > I am just uploading a clip of smoke to youtube now.

>
> That's a major ouch...
>
> Check a good parts store for a 'products of combustion in coolant' test
> kits. They are inexpensive (disposable) and will tell you if you are
> getting blow-by past the head gasket. Another test is to do this (it is
> not an absolutely foolproof test...)
>
> 1. With engine cold, remove radiator cap to ensure there is no pressure
> in the cooling system. Replace cap.
> 2. Start engine and idle for about 30 seconds MAX.
> 3. Check for pressure in the cooling system... If there is pressure,
> then there is probably a problem. No pressure do steps 4 and 5.
> 4. Start engine and idle for about 2 minutes seconds MAX.
> 5. Check for pressure in the cooling system... If there is pressure,
> then there may be a problem. No pressure usually indicates that there is
> no leakage past the head gasket.
>
> Also, for grins, disconnect the battery, let it sit for a few (say 10)
> minutes and reconnect to reset the ECM.


Thanks Peter.

I tried steps 1 to 5 above - no significant pressure.

Taking the car to the garage today, I can't afford any work but they
said they would take a look.

Contemplating K-seal..
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  #12  
Old September 5th 11, 12:39 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled
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Default Golf 1.8 Mk III SE (same as GL.. ADZ engine) not starting.. help!!

On 9/5/2011 6:40 AM, Gizzard wrote:

> Thanks Peter.
>
> I tried steps 1 to 5 above - no significant pressure.
>
> Taking the car to the garage today, I can't afford any work but they
> said they would take a look.
>
> Contemplating K-seal..


Good move... As I said, the test is not 100%, but for serious leaks in
the head gasket it will show results.

It is quite possible you have a leak you have not yet discovered,
possibly entrained (trapped) air pockets that are bleeding out slowly
(that causes levels to drop) and such.

I know with one Honda I worked on recently with a bad hose, you would
see antifreeze leaking from what appeared to be the water pump. In fact
the leak was on the other end of the engine, and the coolant was flowing
(somehow, never figured out the path) along the engine to the water pump
area.

We fixed the hose, and refilled. It took a week of topping off before we
got all the air bleed out of the system! What a PITA, fortunately my SIL
was good with checking and filling each time he drove.

--
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  #13  
Old September 6th 11, 02:14 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled
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Default Golf 1.8 Mk III SE (same as GL.. ADZ engine) not starting.. help!!

On Sep 5, 12:39*pm, PeterD > wrote:
>
> > Thanks Peter.

>
> > I tried steps 1 to 5 above - no significant pressure.

>
> > Taking the car to the garage today, I can't afford any work but they
> > said they would take a look.

>
> > Contemplating K-seal..

>
> Good move... As I said, the test is not 100%, but for serious leaks in
> the head gasket it will show results.
>
> It is quite possible you have a leak you have not yet discovered,
> possibly entrained (trapped) air pockets that are bleeding out slowly
> (that causes levels to drop) and such.
>
> I know with one Honda I worked on recently with a bad hose, you would
> see antifreeze leaking from what appeared to be the water pump. In fact
> the leak was on the other end of the engine, and the coolant was flowing
> (somehow, never figured out the path) along the engine to the water pump
> area.
>
> We fixed the hose, and refilled. It took a week of topping off before we
> got all the air bleed out of the system! What a PITA, fortunately my SIL
> was good with checking and filling each time he drove.


Hi Peter.

I have some good news, she's not dead yet :-)

The mechanic quickly established there was no major head blow. Revved
the engine whilst checking the exhaust, and considering there is no
sludge in oil, no misfiring, or other serious symptom, he reckons the
engine should be ok and to drive normally and keep an eye on levels.
There was no smoke of any significance.

No longer convinced I have a leak either. The coolant seems to have
stabilized. I haven't been far, but there is no obvious loss. She does
seem to be a bit thirsty, and getting hot quick and staying hot, so
I'm not wholly confident yet, but the gauge stays dead on 90 and I'm
loosing no coolant.. may have been a lucky escape! I presume the water
pump changes speed to regulate the temp, and if the car was
overheating I would see that on the gauge?

I guess the ECU is still relearning, perhaps that would explain
greater fuel consumption... maybe disconnect the battery again?

I may upload a picture of the engine bay. I think in a few weeks I
will need to flush the coolant completely (I've seen youtube clips on
how to flush the radiator and block with a garden house), it would be
an apt time to replace some water pipes, plus I've mixed coolants..
all MEG stuff, but different brands.
  #14  
Old September 6th 11, 03:50 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled
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Default Golf 1.8 Mk III SE (same as GL.. ADZ engine) not starting.. help!!

On 9/6/2011 9:14 AM, Gizzard wrote:

> I have some good news, she's not dead yet :-)
>
> The mechanic quickly established there was no major head blow. Revved
> the engine whilst checking the exhaust, and considering there is no
> sludge in oil, no misfiring, or other serious symptom, he reckons the
> engine should be ok and to drive normally and keep an eye on levels.
> There was no smoke of any significance.


Excellent.

>
> No longer convinced I have a leak either. The coolant seems to have
> stabilized. I haven't been far, but there is no obvious loss. She does
> seem to be a bit thirsty, and getting hot quick and staying hot, so
> I'm not wholly confident yet, but the gauge stays dead on 90 and I'm
> loosing no coolant.. may have been a lucky escape! I presume the water
> pump changes speed to regulate the temp, and if the car was
> overheating I would see that on the gauge?
>


Perhaps just a bubble of air (or a few of them) which I've seen in many
cars. I always tell people who have cooling system work to check coolant
levels every day for two weeks. (And give them a gallon of pre-mix to
top off with!)

> I guess the ECU is still relearning, perhaps that would explain
> greater fuel consumption... maybe disconnect the battery again?
>


I would just wait and see... It may well go down over a period of a few
weeks.

> I may upload a picture of the engine bay. I think in a few weeks I
> will need to flush the coolant completely (I've seen youtube clips on
> how to flush the radiator and block with a garden house), it would be
> an apt time to replace some water pipes, plus I've mixed coolants..
> all MEG stuff, but different brands.


Be very, very careful flushing with garden hoses! It is very easy to
blow a heater core, or other cooling system part because of over pressure.

--
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  #15  
Old September 9th 11, 05:40 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled
Gizzard
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Default Golf 1.8 Mk III SE (same as GL.. ADZ engine) not starting.. help!!

On Sep 6, 3:50*pm, PeterD > wrote:
> On 9/6/2011 9:14 AM, Gizzard wrote:
>
> > I have some good news, she's not dead yet :-)

>
> > The mechanic quickly established there was no major head blow. Revved
> > the engine whilst checking the exhaust, and considering there is no
> > sludge in oil, no misfiring, or other serious symptom, he reckons the
> > engine should be ok and to drive normally and keep an eye on levels.
> > There was no smoke of any significance.

>
> Excellent.


OK, here's the crazy thing.. (I'm probably tempting fate by writing
this).. the car is running better than ever. It's like.. There was
definitely white smoke out the exhaust, some not-nice-stuff came out
from there, but I'm thinking that.. scorching the engine block without
any coolant in cleaned out some junk and sediment... or maybe this is
stuff out of the cat. Whatever, I cannot feel/see or hear any obvious
problems... and the slight pinking I had before at 2.5k-3k has totally
gone!

> > No longer convinced I have a leak either. The coolant seems to have
> > stabilized. I haven't been far, but there is no obvious loss. She does
> > seem to be a bit thirsty, and getting hot quick and staying hot, so
> > I'm not wholly confident yet, but the gauge stays dead on 90 and I'm
> > loosing no coolant.. may have been a lucky escape! I presume the water
> > pump changes speed to regulate the temp, and if the car was
> > overheating I would see that on the gauge?

>
> Perhaps just a bubble of air (or a few of them) which I've seen in many
> cars. I always tell people who have cooling system work to check coolant
> levels every day for two weeks. (And give them a gallon of pre-mix to
> top off with!)


I've lost no more coolant since my last post! Yeehaw :-)

> > I guess the ECU is still relearning, perhaps that would explain
> > greater fuel consumption... maybe disconnect the battery again?

>
> I would just wait and see... It may well go down over a period of a few
> weeks.


Sort of back to normal last couple of days... if not better than
before..

> > I may upload a picture of the engine bay. I think in a few weeks I
> > will need to flush the coolant completely (I've seen youtube clips on
> > how to flush the radiator and block with a garden house), it would be
> > an apt time to replace some water pipes, plus I've mixed coolants..
> > all MEG stuff, but different brands.

>
> Be very, very careful flushing with garden hoses! It is very easy to
> blow a heater core, or other cooling system part because of over pressure..


OK, I'll admit it.. I've been watching a few Scotty Kilmer videos. I
take them with a pinch of salt, he's obviously a bit flippant.. but
entertaining to watch (or perhaps annoying depending on your pov). :-)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxm3E5SkHrI
  #16  
Old September 9th 11, 07:25 PM posted to rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled
Gizzard
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Default Golf 1.8 Mk III SE (same as GL.. ADZ engine) not starting.. help!!

Tell a lie, coolant perhaps a few cents down.. it is hard to monitor
with an old resevoir bottle .. i usually take the cap off and look
in

Oil definitely wants changing..

Cheers Peter
 




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