Q45 won't start (cranks easily) how to diagnose?

replying to Alora Duncan, Paypaul wrote:
97 Q45 won’t start and I don’t hear the fuel pump I need to know where the
fuel relay and control module is located

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On 2017-10-16 12:18:01 +0000, Paypaul said:

> replying to Alora Duncan, Paypaul wrote:
> 97 Q45 won’t start and I don’t hear the fuel pump I need to know where the
> fuel relay and control module is located

Easy ... your local Nissan service centre can (probably) quickly
diagnose the problem.

On 17/10/2017 8:14 AM, Your Name wrote:
> On 2017-10-16 12:18:01 +0000, Paypaul said:
>
>> replying to AloraÂ* Duncan, PaypaulÂ* wrote:
>> 97 Q45 won’t start and I don’t hear the fuel pump I need to know
>> where the
>> fuel relay and control module is located
>
> Easy ... your local Nissan service centre can (probably) quickly
> diagnose the problem.
>
It never ceases to amaze me the number of people who think a code
scanner is a panacea for all of a car's ills. What seems to be getting
lost here is that error codes provide a start point, a *guide*, but they
are not the be all and end all of matters diagnosis. The diagnostician
still needs a very good working knowledge of all the underlying systems
for, without that, the error codes are just *numbers* and can lead
someone to waste inordinate amounts of time and money.

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Your Name > wrote:
>On 2017-10-16 12:18:01 +0000, Paypaul said:
>
>> replying to Alora Duncan, Paypaul wrote:
>> 97 Q45 won’t start and I don’t hear the fuel pump I need to know where the
>> fuel relay and control module is located
>
>Easy ... your local Nissan service centre can (probably) quickly
>diagnose the problem.

Not if his local Nissan service center is anything like mine is. The service
writer seems to have a preset list of services that every car needs.
--scott

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On 2017-10-17 13:32:26 +0000, Scott Dorsey said:
> Your Name > wrote:
>> On 2017-10-16 12:18:01 +0000, Paypaul said:
>>>
>>> replying to Alora Duncan, Paypaul wrote:
>>> 97 Q45 won’t start and I don’t hear the fuel pump I need to know where the
>>> fuel relay and control module is located
>>
>> Easy ... your local Nissan service centre can (probably) quickly
>> diagnose the problem.
>
> Not if his local Nissan service center is anything like mine is. The service
> writer seems to have a preset list of services that every car needs.

Of course they do, in terms of the regular maintainence "service", but
for repairs it's different. If your local centre can't do proper
repairs, then either they are not really Nissan licensed or they
shouldn't be.

Your Name > wrote:
>On 2017-10-17 13:32:26 +0000, Scott Dorsey said:
>> Your Name > wrote:
>>> On 2017-10-16 12:18:01 +0000, Paypaul said:
>>>>
>>>> replying to Alora Duncan, Paypaul wrote:
>>>> 97 Q45 won’t start and I don’t hear the fuel pump I need to know where the
>>>> fuel relay and control module is located
>>>
>>> Easy ... your local Nissan service centre can (probably) quickly
>>> diagnose the problem.
>>
>> Not if his local Nissan service center is anything like mine is. The service
>> writer seems to have a preset list of services that every car needs.
>
>Of course they do, in terms of the regular maintainence "service", but
>for repairs it's different. If your local centre can't do proper
>repairs, then either they are not really Nissan licensed or they
>shouldn't be.

They might be able to diagnose my X, but they are more worried about telling
me that my Y and Z are about to fail and need immediate attention and that
if I don't replace my windshield wipers for $75 the sky will fall on me.
And that rip in the upholstery has to be fixed immediately, and those tires
are not authorized tires from the dealer but are third-party tires that are
suspicious and should be replaced. They don't _want_ to fix my car, they
want to sell me a new car and take my car in as trade-in.
--scott
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On 2017-10-17 21:35:21 +0000, Scott Dorsey said:
> Your Name > wrote:
>> On 2017-10-17 13:32:26 +0000, Scott Dorsey said:
>>> Your Name > wrote:
>>>> On 2017-10-16 12:18:01 +0000, Paypaul said:
>>>>>
>>>>> replying to Alora Duncan, Paypaul wrote:
>>>>> 97 Q45 won’t start and I don’t hear the fuel pump I need to know where the
>>>>> fuel relay and control module is located
>>>>
>>>> Easy ... your local Nissan service centre can (probably) quickly
>>>> diagnose the problem.
>>>
>>> Not if his local Nissan service center is anything like mine is. The service
>>> writer seems to have a preset list of services that every car needs.
>>
>> Of course they do, in terms of the regular maintainence "service", but
>> for repairs it's different. If your local centre can't do proper
>> repairs, then either they are not really Nissan licensed or they
>> shouldn't be.
>
> They might be able to diagnose my X, but they are more worried about telling
> me that my Y and Z are about to fail and need immediate attention and that
> if I don't replace my windshield wipers for $75 the sky will fall on me.
> And that rip in the upholstery has to be fixed immediately, and those tires
> are not authorized tires from the dealer but are third-party tires that are
> suspicious and should be replaced. They don't _want_ to fix my car, they
> want to sell me a new car and take my car in as trade-in.

Maybe you should report them to Nissan (and/or the Automobile
Association, etc.) and get their license revoked ... as well as finding
another service centre, which may be impossible in smaller towns.

Here in New Zealand we have the various licensed Nissan dealers, but
also independent repair centres (both nationwide chains and small
individual companies) who are certified by the Motor Trade Association
as being legitimate and responsible (as well as insured) ... too many
complaints that can be substantiated, and the repair centre gets their
certificate revoked, although they can technically keep trading, they
can't display the MTA certificate on the wall which *should* deter any
potential customer with some sense from using them.