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Myth: The motor car is the ultimate freedom machine
On 2015-01-05 05:49:53 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher said:
> On Monday, January 5, 2015 12:27:58 AM UTC-5, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most > Humble Philosopher wrote: >> On Sunday, January 4, 2015 11:00:12 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote: >>> On 2015-01-05 03:43:52 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher said: >>> >>>> On Sunday, January 4, 2015 8:28:50 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote: >>>>> On 2015-01-04 23:22:06 +0000, Free Spirit, Chief of Quixotic Enterprises said: >>>>> >>>>>> On Sunday, January 4, 2015 5:46:14 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote: >>>>>>> On 2015-01-04 22:43:11 +0000, Free Spirit, Chief of Quixotic Enterprises said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 3, 2015 1:35:08 PM UTC-5, Alan Baker wrote: >>>>>>>>> On 2015-01-03 17:19:34 +0000, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most Humble Philosopher said: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Saturday, January 3, 2015 9:23:54 AM UTC-5, Wise TibetanMonkey, Most >>>>>>>>>> Humble Philosopher wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> You drivers are placing the noose around your own neck. Your radicalism >>>>>>>>>>> doesn't even tolerate the bicycle. The bicycle infrastructure is non >>>>>>>>>>> existent or dysfunctional. Public transportation is highly >>>>>>>>>>> dysfunctional too. You oppose trains in the city. You oppose fast >>>>>>>>>>> trains as well. What's next? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> "Carmageddon!" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I don't think we should turn this into a class struggle issue because >>>>>>>>>> we often are both cyclists and drivers. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Naturally the bicycle is the most democratic vehicle of the two and the >>>>>>>>>> one that keeps you in touch with your community. I don't think you >>>>>>>>>> should even vote if you don't ride a bike. You don't know what's going >>>>>>>>>> on. You don't know about crime. You don't know about broken sidewalks. >>>>>>>>>> You don't know about corruption. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> More completely bull****. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Everything is dysfunctional. You think we want free facilities. No, we >>>>>>>>>> don't want any of that. Bike lanes don't work, not connected, used for >>>>>>>>>> deliveries. They become another excuse for corruption. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I KNOW you receive free facilities. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Who will pay for those if you actually eliminate car use? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Eliminate car use?" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I tell you drivers tend to be radical. I want to retire the bad drivers >>>>>>>> so the other forms of transportation as well as the good drivers can >>>>>>>> enjoy more room. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I want to require all drivers to be good drivers... ...or lose their >>>>>>> right to drive. >>>>>> >>>>>> Well, we need those SPEED CAMERAS to start separating the good drivers >>>>>> from the bad drivers. >>>>> >>>>> No. We don't. >>>>> >>>>> Speed cameras tell you precisely nothing about whether some is a good >>>>> driver or not. >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Hint: Good drivers don't go speeding on city streets. They should have >>>>>> a working passing lane on freeways. >>>>> >>>>> If by "speeding" you mean "exceeding the posted limit", then you can >>>>> make every driver into a "bad" driver simply by lowering the limit to a >>>>> ridiculous number. >>>>> >>>>> The simple fact is that traffic engineers and scientists recommend >>>>> setting limits at the 85th percentile of free flowing traffic speed. A >>>>> limit set below that will result in many good drivers exceeding it. >>>> >>>> Excuses, excuses, excuses. The best drivers --the Germans-- coexist >>>> with cameras. They go fast where they can. >>> >>> And you can co-exist with a lot of things... >>> >>> ...that doesn't make it optimal. >>> >>> Speed cameras aren't about improving safety. You pay the ticket, but >>> you don't get any points on your license. >>> >>> Hence, you don't get removed from the driver pool unless you are very >>> unlucky and poor. >>> >> >> Well, you boasted of not having tickets in the last 10 years and all of >> a sudden the speed cameras worry you. What gives? > > Proper bike lanes: > > http://i881.photobucket.com/albums/a...psb219ebe1.jpg > > > That's not America, not even Europe. That's Ecuador, a country that > used to be a Banana Republic. One of the trademarks of Banana Republic > is corruption. > > The mafia in Sicily invested in highways that remained empty. That's > how they work: Construction, Destruction, Corruption. Sorry, but correlation is not causation. |
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