Is This The Magic Battery?

On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 07:47:11 -0500, Jim Yanik >
wrote:
>> Nice negativity there.
>
>It's REALISM.

Lack of imagination...

>> Truth is you have no idea how much its going
>> to cost nor what the possible configurations of such robots might be.
>
>I know they will cost a lot.More than most service stations can afford.
>You might even encounter a union problem.

The same sort of union problems we have for self-pumped gas?

>YOu are pessimistic in believing oil is going to run out.

Its not going to run out, its just going to go to $7.50 a gallon, and
then go up from there. Electricity will be a harder thing to do that
way. If you try it, the guy paying $300 for house electric right now
would have his bill go up to maybe $600, or $900 / month. You think
there wouldn't be a revolution if that happened? People wouldn't be
able to afford to heat, and esp. cool in the summer, which is even
more devistating in the South. There's limits to how high electricity
can go without people getting really PO'ed about it. Then heads roll
in the statehouse and in the US congress. That crap ain't ever gonna
happen. Cap and Trade ain't gonna happen now already, due to the
election a couple days ago, and electricity will not get all that
expensive, either.

If Electricity went up by 3X, fueling electric cars would STILL be
cheaper than fueling a regular car.

On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 07:57:20 -0500, Jim Yanik >
wrote:

>a new "chip" or SW program can only do so much.OTOH,increasing air flow and
>denser charge via cold air intakes or forced induction,exhaust
>improvements,can gain considerable power.

So, change out your electric motor for a more powerful one. Better
yet, add another one - have 2 electric motors in the car.

>You can swap motors if you
>want,change gear ratios,all sorts of mods.

Can be done with electrics, too.

>electrics are going to have narrow,hard tires to reduce rolling resistance
>to conserve battery power and increase range. They will not corner as well.
>the tires will break loose easier under hard accelleration,if the
>controller allows that at all.

My electric will have big, wide racing-style tires.

>and you aren't going to have "race car performance" with an electric.
>They are strictly "economy" cars.Not one with the range of a gas auto.
>stuff like the Tesla aren't going to be affordable.

Luddite.

rally2xs2 > wrote:

>The electric I will buy will
>have a 100 hp motor on each wheel and look like a Chevelle SS396 and,
>with max torque at 0 RPM, is gonna come off the line and whomp your
>ricer butt at any given 1/4 mile contest.

You forgot to preface that with:
"When I grow up"
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On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 08:50:05 +0800, Bernd Felsche
> wrote:

>rally2xs2 > wrote:
>
>>The electric I will buy will
>>have a 100 hp motor on each wheel and look like a Chevelle SS396 and,
>>with max torque at 0 RPM, is gonna come off the line and whomp your
>>ricer butt at any given 1/4 mile contest.
>
>You forgot to preface that with:
> "When I grow up"

I will never grow up. That's boring.

In article >,
Dave Head > wrote:
>On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 03:13:14 GMT,
>(Matthew Russotto) wrote:
>
>>>Might. And I'm not necessarily willing to give up on the idea of some
>>>really high-voltage motors that work at relatively low amperages.
>>
>>What are you going to use to insulate the windings?
>
>I don't design motors, so I don't know.

Your ignorance doesn't make the job feasible.
--
The problem with socialism is there's always
someone with less ability and more need.

In article >,
Bernd Felsche > wrote:
>
>Li-Ion nano-wire (which this battery may NOT be) storage density is
>published at the equivalent of about 2.54 MJ/kg so the lower limit
>of the battery mass is 163 kg, without encapsulation and internal
>electronics, electrics and mechanical cooling.

The battery uses "KOLIBRI AlphaPolymer Technology", which might
indicate it's a LiPo of some sort. (Or it might just be marketing
noise.) Nice things about LiPos are their high energy density and
the fact that you can shape them any way you want. But packing a car
full of LiPos to achieve a distance record is a far cry from making a
practical electric car to achieve those distances.
--
The problem with socialism is there's always
someone with less ability and more need.

(Matthew Russotto) wrote:
>Bernd Felsche wrote:

>>Li-Ion nano-wire (which this battery may NOT be) storage density is
>>published at the equivalent of about 2.54 MJ/kg so the lower limit
>>of the battery mass is 163 kg, without encapsulation and internal
>>electronics, electrics and mechanical cooling.

>The battery uses "KOLIBRI AlphaPolymer Technology", which might
>indicate it's a LiPo of some sort. (Or it might just be marketing

They sayin their FAQ that it's a polymer ...

>noise.) Nice things about LiPos are their high energy density and
>the fact that you can shape them any way you want. But packing a car
>full of LiPos to achieve a distance record is a far cry from making a
>practical electric car to achieve those distances.

Yeah; everybody could drive an electric car if they could afford to
buy 2 or 3 at a quarter of a million dollars each.

I've looked at their web site... graphics show *protons* moving
through the electrolyte.
<http://www.dbm-energy.com/>

It looks like a bunch of crap that David would make up.
No technical specifications, sizes, ratings, availability, MSDS,
prices ... Nothing substantial. Just hand-waving. High
expectations. Marketing noise.

If you want "details", you have to order a 249 Euro "book".
It has all the hallmarks of a scam.

Looks like they bought a Patent in 2008 and are now fishing for
suckers.
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On Fri, 05 Nov 2010 02:48:50 GMT,
(Matthew Russotto) wrote:

>In article >,
>Dave Head > wrote:
>>On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 03:13:14 GMT,
>>(Matthew Russotto) wrote:
>>
>>>>Might. And I'm not necessarily willing to give up on the idea of some
>>>>really high-voltage motors that work at relatively low amperages.
>>>
>>>What are you going to use to insulate the windings?
>>
>>I don't design motors, so I don't know.
>
>Your ignorance doesn't make the job feasible.

Doesn't make it impossible, either. I'll leave it to the motor
designers for an answer, when/if the actual batteries that would make
this all feasible are confirmed. Reading other posts, I can believe
the "scam" thing. We've got a bunch here in the states, EE Stor, that
are making noises about a breakthru supercapacitor, but you never can
get any details.

Dave Head > wrote in
:

> On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 07:47:11 -0500, Jim Yanik >
> wrote:
>>> Nice negativity there.
>>
>>It's REALISM.
>
> Lack of imagination...


one can -imagine- anything,but if it's not based in reality,it might as
well be magic.
>
>>> Truth is you have no idea how much its going
>>> to cost nor what the possible configurations of such robots might be.
>>
>>I know they will cost a lot.More than most service stations can afford.
>>You might even encounter a union problem.
>
> The same sort of union problems we have for self-pumped gas?

there's a difference between gas jockeys and mechanics.


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Dave Head > wrote in
:

> On Thu, 04 Nov 2010 07:48:42 -0500, Jim Yanik >
> wrote:
>>I think if you check around,you wil find that the recent price surge was
>>due to market manipulation,speculators.
>
> You mean the current difference between $2.45 and $2.85 for Premium?
> (What I buy.) Why didn't it go to $4.50 like last time? Not enough
> demand, maybe?
>

I was referring to the surge to over $4 per gallon.
(maybe not so "recent"...)

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