$20,000 over sticker for Chevy Volt is simply supply and demand

"Clive" > wrote in message
...
> In message >, chuckcar >
> writes
>> I still prefer the idea of a hydrogen internal combusion engine
>>better, but such things as removing the ammonia produced may be a
>>problem I suppose.
> Where does the ammonia come from?
> --
> Clive

You need a source of hydrogen. Natural gas is, or was, a convenient source.
Hydrogen from hydrolysis of water is another source.

In article >,
Bob Cooper > wrote:

> In article >,
> says...
> >
> > In message
> >
> > ample.com>, Michelle Steiner > writes
> > >That's 40 miles on just the initial battery charge; after that, the
> > >gasoline motor kicks in to recharge the battery, and you'll keep going for
> > >so long as there is gas in the tank.
> > If the engine hasn't run for six months how do you know it hasn't seized
> > on you?
>
> I read somewhere it does a monthly self-test start-up.
> Another question for short commuters who always plug in is old gas.
> There might be a mode to run the ICE so the the tank can be emptied
> every year or so to refresh the gas, or a recommendation to not plug in
> to do the same thing.

You need an Amp, yes!! THE Amp, mfg in Yugoslavia and currently at the
cutting edge of electrical technology. The battery will last for a
whole week without charge and it is about the size of a pack of
cigs....Plus, plus the car will do 100 km/hr sustained all the while
towing a large boat.

On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 17:31:32 -0500, Ant wrote:

> In article >,
> Bob Cooper > wrote:
>
>> In article >,
>> says...
>> >
>> > In message
>> >
>> > ample.com>, Michelle Steiner > writes
>> > >That's 40 miles on just the initial battery charge; after that, the
>> > >gasoline motor kicks in to recharge the battery, and you'll keep going for
>> > >so long as there is gas in the tank.
>> > If the engine hasn't run for six months how do you know it hasn't seized
>> > on you?
>>
>> I read somewhere it does a monthly self-test start-up.
>> Another question for short commuters who always plug in is old gas.
>> There might be a mode to run the ICE so the the tank can be emptied
>> every year or so to refresh the gas, or a recommendation to not plug in
>> to do the same thing.
>
> You need an Amp, yes!! THE Amp, mfg in Yugoslavia and currently at the
> cutting edge of electrical technology. The battery will last for a
> whole week without charge and it is about the size of a pack of
> cigs....Plus, plus the car will do 100 km/hr sustained all the while
> towing a large boat.

Screw that. I want a Tesla.

On Aug 9, 3:50*am, "Sharx35" > wrote:
> "john" > wrote in message
>
> ...
>
> > "So you think the Chevrolet Volt electric car will cost too much? Tell
> > that to the Chevy dealer who has already decided to charge $20,000
> > over the sticker price.
>
> > That's right. Months before the first Volt lands on a showroom floor,
> > there's enough excitement that the dealer -- who earns a living
> > calculating what the market will bear -- is charging nearly 50% more
> > than General Motors' asking price for the revolutionary car.
>
> > If that's any yardstick, the 2011 Volt is drastically underpriced.
> > Supply and demand, baby. It's the free enterprise system."
>
> > Read mo Mark Phelan: Dealers' extra charge for Volt is simply
> > supply and demand | freep.com | Detroit Free Press
> >http://www.freep.com/article/2010080...1/business01/D...
>
> Proving that there is a silly sucker born every minute. HELL will frigging
> freeze over before I pay ANYTHING over sticker for anything.

Especially now.

Fisker.
http://www.fiskerautomotive.com
cuhulin

In message >, Bob
Cooper > writes
>The Prius is "mostly" driven forward by mechanical torque from its ICE.
>From what little I've read the Prius has no issue with cross-country.
>Don't know if that will be true with the Volt.
>I might be wrong, but that's how I understand it now.
That's how I see it, with a 100 bhp electric drive the car must need
it,but the motor will only provide 63 bhp at the road wheels, it'll be
very underpowered and uneconomic on a run, if the engine will start
after lying idle for 6 or more months.
--
Clive

The ''Messiah'' (B HO) was in Holland,Michigan last month.A new
battery factory for electric cars will be built there.I read somewhere
most of the componets for those batteries will be made in Asia, Japan, I
think so.
cuhulin

On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 16:03:28 -0500, hls > wrote:

>"AZ Nomad" > wrote in message
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>> On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 10:06:47 -0500, hls > wrote:
>>
>>
>>>If Obama wants to incentivate business and hire people, wonder why he
>>>doesnt commission a group to locate the strategic areas in the USA where
>>>hydroelectric projects would be suitable and efficient to servics the
>>>power
>>>grids, and then BUILD them. We need the water, and we need the "juice".
>>
>> Name one location where it's cost effective and hasn't been done
>> already.
>>

>Dont know.. Let Obama figure that out. He has ****ed away so much
>money already, we could use his monetary urine as a power source.

The money has gone mostly into the looted financial system. You can't
blame that on him. I suppose you'd find economic collapse preferable.
Doing nothing is something the republicans are really really good at.

As the fire is burning and timbers are coming down: "Maybe we should do
more nothing?"

On 2010-08-11, AZ Nomad > wrote:
> blame that on him. I suppose you'd find economic collapse preferable.

Ah, so you have managed to cross the Einstein-Rosen bridge to view ana
lternate universe where this happened. Was Elvis alive there as well?

On the other hand, I suppose it is a good thing that 0bama gave
trillions to the banksters. Why, if he had not done so, unemployment
might have gone over 8 percent!

--
Roger Blake
(Change "invalid" to "com" for email. Google Groups killfiled due to spam.)
"0bama snoozed while oil oozed."

Clive > wrote in
:

> In message >, chuckcar >
> writes
>> I still prefer the idea of a hydrogen internal combusion engine
>>better, but such things as removing the ammonia produced may be a
>>problem I suppose.
> Where does the ammonia come from?

Nitrogen and Hydrogen of course.