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  #21  
Old July 12th 18, 06:27 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
micky
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Default how does the map get into the radio?

In rec.autos.tech, on Thu, 12 Jul 2018 11:34:16 -0500, Vic Smith
> wrote:

>On Wed, 11 Jul 2018 23:44:00 -0700 (PDT), dsi1 > wrote:
>
>>On Tuesday, July 10, 2018 at 6:15:26 PM UTC-10, micky wrote:
>>> In a new car radio with GPS, how does the map get into the radio? Does
>>> it receive cellular data, wifi, or come already installed?
>>>
>>> What if you want to install the next year's version?
>>>
>>> My current 2005 toyota has a map on DVD, and it's not got all the roads,
>>> even the ones that existed then. A repacement DVD is 90+ dollars!
>>> but mine is good. OTOH, one for 2011 is only $20, but I'm guessing it
>>> won't work right??? And I don't know if it has many more roads or not.
>>> Maybe it only has more recent stores.
>>>
>>> And I don't see anything newer than 2011, so I figure they don't use
>>> DVDs anymore. ??
>>>
>>> I don't need navigation, only occasionally to know where I am.
>>>
>>> If the GPS map on new radios isn't a lot better than what I have, I'd
>>> rather save a couple hundred dollars and get a radio withou it.

>>
>>I'm surprised that they still make standalone GPS units. I use an app on my phone - Waze. The app gives real time updates on road/traffic conditions, estimated time of arrival, presence of road hazards, including police. In the future, all cars will be sending data back and forth to each other.
>>

>
>Some people (me for one) don't pay for a monthly cell phone plan. If I did, I would make
>use of such an app.


It probably won't give directions, which I guess is calculated at the
web site, but even without data, you can use the cell phone to see where
you are on the map. Just dl the maps when you're at a wifi source.
I forget the details but google maps last iirc 3 months and maps.me
might last much longer. Maps.me has the advantage that it displays
house numbers. Google will find a house by number if you put the number
in, but maps.me (on the PC too) displays the whole street with numbers
for every house or maybe at the ends of each block. There are other
advantages to each one too. But they both work for telling you where
you are and you can enter a destination and find out where it is, on the
map, assuming you are in an area for which you have dl'd the map. (If
you had data, it would dl the map on the fly, as you drive into new
areas, but I usually have all of central maryland and wherever else I
plan to go soon. For the trip to Florida, I dl'd the whole path to
Florida.

Even without a monthly plan. Just about any phone, even that someone
has stopped using will do this.
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  #22  
Old July 12th 18, 09:36 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
Percival P. Cassidy[_2_]
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On 07/12/2018 01:18 PM, micky wrote:

>>>> I don't need navigation, only occasionally to know where I am.
>>>>
>>>> If the GPS map on new radios isn't a lot better than what I have, I'd
>>>> rather save a couple hundred dollars and get a radio withou it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Get the radio without it.
>>>
>>> I don't know about the prices, but some of the new cars with navigation
>>> have a USB slot where you download the maps on a computer and then
>>> transfer them with a USB drive to the car.
>>>
>>> As many said, just get a Garman or such with the lifetime updates for
>>> free.

>>
>> WE still have our Garmin with lifetime updates, but we gave up using it:
>> Before a longish trip about five years ago, I updated the maps, with the
>> result that it was telling us things like "keep left" where there was no
>> intersection or ramp,

>
> I think you were taking those words as traffic instructions, when they
> were actually political. Garmin was taken over by a commie pink
> consortium.
>
> and was showing us driving in the middle of a
>> cornfield when we were in fact on the highway.

>
> And by the anti-farm lobby.
>
>> Maybe a further update would solve the problem, but the Sygic app on the
>> phone is much better, with a heads-up display mode and lane assist.

>
> They have 10 apps. The first one just gave me directions to Bratislava.
> Which one do you use?


> https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...com.sygic.aura


I do not have all the US maps installed at present -- only the ones for
this region of the USA. They have maps for many countries.

I now see that they also have a version that connects to the
infotainment system on some manufacturers' cars.

They have free trials -- seven days, perhaps. You could start off with a
fairly basic version, and they often have major discounts (not
infrequently 70%) on various upgrades, such as the heads-up display and
traffic-information features.

Perce
  #23  
Old July 12th 18, 11:01 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
micky
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Default how does the map get into the radio?

In rec.autos.tech, on Thu, 12 Jul 2018 16:36:01 -0400, "Percival P.
Cassidy" > wrote:

>On 07/12/2018 01:18 PM, micky wrote:
>
>>>>> I don't need navigation, only occasionally to know where I am.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the GPS map on new radios isn't a lot better than what I have, I'd
>>>>> rather save a couple hundred dollars and get a radio withou it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Get the radio without it.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about the prices, but some of the new cars with navigation
>>>> have a USB slot where you download the maps on a computer and then
>>>> transfer them with a USB drive to the car.
>>>>
>>>> As many said, just get a Garman or such with the lifetime updates for
>>>> free.
>>>
>>> WE still have our Garmin with lifetime updates, but we gave up using it:
>>> Before a longish trip about five years ago, I updated the maps, with the
>>> result that it was telling us things like "keep left" where there was no
>>> intersection or ramp,

>>
>> I think you were taking those words as traffic instructions, when they
>> were actually political. Garmin was taken over by a commie pink
>> consortium.
>>
>> and was showing us driving in the middle of a
>>> cornfield when we were in fact on the highway.

>>
>> And by the anti-farm lobby.
>>
>>> Maybe a further update would solve the problem, but the Sygic app on the
>>> phone is much better, with a heads-up display mode and lane assist.

>>
>> They have 10 apps. The first one just gave me directions to Bratislava.
>> Which one do you use?

>
> > https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...com.sygic.aura

>
>I do not have all the US maps installed at present -- only the ones for
>this region of the USA. They have maps for many countries.
>
>I now see that they also have a version that connects to the
>infotainment system on some manufacturers' cars.
>
>They have free trials -- seven days, perhaps. You could start off with a
>fairly basic version, and they often have major discounts (not
>infrequently 70%) on various upgrades, such as the heads-up display and
>traffic-information features.
>
>Perce


Thanks. Good to know they have more than Slovakia.

  #24  
Old July 12th 18, 11:11 PM posted to alt.home.repair,rec.autos.tech
Steve W.[_6_]
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Default how does the map get into the radio?

micky wrote:
> In a new car radio with GPS, how does the map get into the radio? Does
> it receive cellular data, wifi, or come already installed?
>
> What if you want to install the next year's version?
>
> My current 2005 toyota has a map on DVD, and it's not got all the roads,
> even the ones that existed then. A repacement DVD is 90+ dollars!
> but mine is good. OTOH, one for 2011 is only $20, but I'm guessing it
> won't work right??? And I don't know if it has many more roads or not.
> Maybe it only has more recent stores.
>
> And I don't see anything newer than 2011, so I figure they don't use
> DVDs anymore. ??
>
> I don't need navigation, only occasionally to know where I am.
>
> If the GPS map on new radios isn't a lot better than what I have, I'd
> rather save a couple hundred dollars and get a radio withou it.



It depends on the manufacturer. Most use either an SD card or a DVD to
update the maps in the on board system. You won't find one from the auto
manufacturer with actual current year maps though. For that you need to
update with the most current data from whoever they used for the map data.
For instance my Journey uses a UConnect system unit that runs Garmin
maps, I can update it using ONLY Garmin data, but I can get updates
directly through Garmin and add it through an SD or DVD for a lot less
than going to a dealer

The new Toyotas also use Garmin and an SD card for updates.

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  #25  
Old July 12th 18, 11:14 PM posted to alt.home.repair,rec.autos.tech
Steve W.[_6_]
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Ed Pawlowski wrote:
> On 7/11/2018 12:32 PM, Frank wrote:
>
>> Don't know about current Toyota's but a friend said it would cost $200
>> to have dealer put new maps in his Rav 4. Garmin maps may be updated as
>> much as four times a year. It is not just road changes but new business
>> openings and business addresses changing.

>
> Its a real money make for them. Most cars are $100 to $200. My car has
> 3 years included or I'd not bother.


On many of the systems that use Garmin maps you can use updates direct
from Garmin onto a formatted SD card to update for a LOT less...

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  #26  
Old July 12th 18, 11:23 PM posted to rec.autos.tech
Steve W.[_6_]
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Default how does the map get into the radio?

Percival P. Cassidy wrote:
> On 07/12/2018 01:18 PM, micky wrote:
>
>>>>> I don't need navigation, only occasionally to know where I am.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the GPS map on new radios isn't a lot better than what I have, I'd
>>>>> rather save a couple hundred dollars and get a radio withou it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> Get the radio without it.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about the prices, but some of the new cars with navigation
>>>> have a USB slot where you download the maps on a computer and then
>>>> transfer them with a USB drive to the car.
>>>>
>>>> As many said, just get a Garman or such with the lifetime updates for
>>>> free.
>>> WE still have our Garmin with lifetime updates, but we gave up using it:
>>> Before a longish trip about five years ago, I updated the maps, with the
>>> result that it was telling us things like "keep left" where there was no
>>> intersection or ramp,

>> I think you were taking those words as traffic instructions, when they
>> were actually political. Garmin was taken over by a commie pink
>> consortium.
>>
>> and was showing us driving in the middle of a
>>> cornfield when we were in fact on the highway.

>> And by the anti-farm lobby.
>>
>>> Maybe a further update would solve the problem, but the Sygic app on the
>>> phone is much better, with a heads-up display mode and lane assist.

>> They have 10 apps. The first one just gave me directions to Bratislava.
>> Which one do you use?

>
> > https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...com.sygic.aura

>
> I do not have all the US maps installed at present -- only the ones for
> this region of the USA. They have maps for many countries.
>
> I now see that they also have a version that connects to the
> infotainment system on some manufacturers' cars.
>
> They have free trials -- seven days, perhaps. You could start off with a
> fairly basic version, and they often have major discounts (not
> infrequently 70%) on various upgrades, such as the heads-up display and
> traffic-information features.
>
> Perce



The big catch with cell based maps is that you have to have a cell
signal. There are a still a LOT of places in the US where there is no
signal, regarless of what the cell company may tell you.
Then you may as well be holding a brick.

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  #27  
Old July 19th 18, 01:00 AM posted to rec.autos.tech
Percival P. Cassidy[_2_]
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On 07/12/2018 04:36 PM, I wrote:

>>>>> I don't need navigation, only occasionally to know where I am.
>>>>>
>>>>> If the GPS map on new radios isn't a lot better than what I have, I'd
>>>>> rather save a couple hundred dollars and get a radio withou it.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Get the radio without it.
>>>>
>>>> I don't know about the prices, but some of the new cars with navigation
>>>> have a USB slot where you download the maps on a computer and then
>>>> transfer them with a USB drive to the car.
>>>>
>>>> As many said, just get a Garman or such with the lifetime updates for
>>>> free.
>>>
>>> WE still have our Garmin with lifetime updates, but we gave up using it:
>>> Before a longish trip about five years ago, I updated the maps, with the
>>> result that it was telling us things like "keep left" where there was no
>>> intersection or ramp,

>>
>> I think you were taking those words as traffic instructions, when they
>> were actually political.* Garmin was taken over by a commie pink
>> consortium.
>>
>> and was showing us driving in the middle of a
>>> cornfield when we were in fact on the highway.

>>
>> And by the anti-farm lobby.
>>
>>> Maybe a further update would solve the problem, but the Sygic app on the
>>> phone is much better, with a heads-up display mode and lane assist.

>>
>> They have 10 apps.* The first one just gave me directions to Bratislava.
>> Which one do you use?

>
> > https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...com.sygic.aura

>
> I do not have all the US maps installed at present -- only the ones for
> this region of the USA. They have maps for many countries.
>
> I now see that they also have a version that connects to the
> infotainment system on some manufacturers' cars.
>
> They have free trials -- seven days, perhaps. You could start off with a
> fairly basic version, and they often have major discounts (not
> infrequently 70%) on various upgrades, such as the heads-up display and
> traffic-information features.


Sygic is informing me that there are a few hours left of an 80%-off
deal. I already have all the features I need.

Perce

 




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